A person who illegally sneaks into the country shouldn't be called an immigrant anymore than a person who breaks into your house should be called a house guest.

This is at least an improvement over yesterday's "the fight has largely been won"/"what can white people possibly do to make things better anymore" attitude - acknowledging the problem is step 1! Progress!

LMAO. So because we can't be perfect we shouldn't be striving for it? Ridiculous conservative thinking right there. "There are too many guns out there we can't get them all so we shouldn't try and do anything about guns!"

Uhhh...you were the one who brought up "immigration" in regards to human smuggling. I guess this was one of those "rare" days you read brietbart articles about small scale smuggling along the Mexican border?

It's dumb too because only abusers are going to try to exploit victim-hood narratives, so they either out themselves as abusive types, or as having some susceptibility to abusive type's narratives. But whoops, here comes the rest of the story...


Abusers and victims are actual people and that is just telling it like it is.

Lol wil again. Glad you had your finger on the pulse and could detect that a small percentage in three states would go towards trump and that he would lose the popular vote by millions at the same time. Brilliant. Not luck at all.

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mongidig - you need to make your case for youself if it's within the rules. You can't just provide those sorts of links as if they make your case. Also remember that you are responsible for the content of anything you link so please be careful.

aofrantic - just report the post please

What I would give to have Wil now come in here and explain normal v relative distribution and how luck isn't involved in any of it.

Wasn't that basically the only way he could win? Clearly the popular vote in states like California was going to be huge against him and it would be narrow victories in the states he won that would push him over the edge?

Yes clearly but that's not what wil was saying. He viewed the national polls as wrong. But what can you expect from a guy who tried to time the equity markets last year and got it wrong.

538 had this as about a ~10% chance iirc. They have a bunch of look back articles that explain this all very well that are worth a look if you're actually interested.

Oh Samson, you're saying I can go into Wil's posting history and look at him losing a ton of money in the markets last year while my portfolio made 50%/8% the last two years? Oh, this has made my afternoon.

I was just thinking that anyone betting on trump to win the electoral votes would have also bet he would lose the popular vote, given the way our system is set up.

I'm not explicitly speaking for Wil. Though I am giving him the benefit of doubt.

This is from before the election, but as I said 538 had this event pegged at ~10%.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...re-increasing/

I'm answering quickly without reading the article fully, because I have to go in a minute, but I think he was saying there was only a ten percent chance of the actual reality we have.

Wasn't he saying that Trump was going to lose the popular vote almost certainly and that he therefore only had a ten percent chance of actually winning?


if not, ignore me or tell me to screw myself and i'll come back later.

You are not trying to make things perfect, you are trying to pacify people by giving in to everything anyone can think of. There has to be a give and take on both sides.

I think you should rethink the situation. One candidate had both parties behind them, the entire media, every newspaper, and won all three debates. If someone gave you those stats before an election which side would you take, lol? She still got her clock cleaned.

Lol @ popular votes. That means nothing, that's not how the system works!

Not quite. About a 15% chance of winning the popular vote/electoral college. 10% of just the electoral college.

Lol Wil, "the entire media behind her." The NYT put up 5 full stories on the emails 4 days before the election. CNN aired every rally in full. Trump got way, way more help from the media than Clinton. Exposure is everything.

If the popular vote is meaningless, why is Trump still claiming he won it if you discount those millions of illegal votes? Can you try for a consistent and correct narrative even once?

This is hilarious.

Are you saying that 19 year old female college students are more likely to be racist than the average population? Because that is one of the stupidest arguments I have heard in a while. If anything, the samples in these studies are going to under report racial prejudice.

This was the gotcha you came up with?

Dan's on patrol.

Funny how the minorities have been giving for centuries but the majority only seems to be willing to take. I guess that's why the cops need to punch them in the heads to keep them in line...

The popular vote does mean something Wil, it means there is no mandate for Trumps populist crap. When he talks about the size of his victory and tries to use it to justify the draconian legislation he wants to pass everyone gets to call him out for his bull****.

Trump lost by up to 8 million votes.

LOL, you know people are reaching for anything to justify their positions when it is based on someone having a imaginary mandate or not. Like that is a real thing.

Mandates aren't real?

Why can't you look at things objectively? I mean, if you dropped a swedish person who spoke swedish in the middle of NYC, would he do better or worse in America than a young black female who could speak English? When the Irish came over they were discriminated against. So were the italians. What group of people werent? You think whites just hate people with darker skin than theirs? How come people from India have the highest incomes of all groups in the united States?

Yes, I understand that the situation is different for blacks because of the history of slavery, but at some point there has to be work done on both sides. I don't see why you can't understand it all can't just come from one side. It just doesn't work that way. I would argue assimilation is the most important factor in making the situation better but I will not tell a group of people what they should do. What I will say is it seems any group of people that is here that doesn't assimilate tends to not do so well. That seems to be a constant.

I don't even know what this means. Are you saying Trump's presidency doesn't mean anything? I mean, he's the one with the pen in his hand signing stuff.

Sick brag.