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Old 02-22-2017, 07:50 PM   #1451
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Wouldn't he be tied for "biggest supporter of terrorism" with the other countries that agree to the Iran Deal?

But in any case, The Iran Deal didn't give any "support" to Iran. It returned Iranian funds that were seized because of their nuclear program. And that wasn't $150 billion, since we've frozen Iranian assets over terrorism.



So Iranian funds were frozen to discourage them from continuing their nuclear program. When we reached a deal on that program, we released the frozen funds. Your characterization is completely dishonest.
What does it matter the source of the money? Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and now they have a lot more money to spend on it.
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:00 PM   #1452
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This is one problem why it's very difficult to have conversations with "conservatives"--they are never intellectually honest. That means being honest about the other side's opinions as well as being honest with yourself about your own opinion. As a result, most people just don't even bother talking to conservatives any more, and who can blame them.
Conservatives are "never" intellectually honest? Never ever?

"Most people don't even bother talking to conservatives any more" really? Is this true!

I think it is the people who have this negative tunnel vision view of the world who are the problem!
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:35 PM   #1453
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I think some of the people who come on his show are actors. This is so ridiculous it has to be fake.
They would get caught if they did that.

Schizophrenia probably. Look at her eyes.

"Schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to understand what is real.[2] Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, hearing voices that others do not, reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and a lack of motivation.[2][3] People with schizophrenia often have additional mental health problems such as anxiety disorders, major depressive illness, or substance use disorders.[4] Symptoms typically come on gradually, begin in young adulthood, and last a long time.[3][5]"

We know she's not an anti-Trumper from here, as I think all of them are guys.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:14 PM   #1454
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What does it matter the source of the money? Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and now they have a lot more money to spend on it.
They also don't have enough uranium to make a nuke anymore. That's how these things work.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:29 PM   #1455
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They also don't have enough uranium to make a nuke anymore. That's how these things work.
They have enough money to support terrorism.

This was a horrible deal.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:46 PM   #1456
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What's the point of imposing sanctions to get people to stop building a nuke if you don't remove them when they agree to stop?

Nevermind. Obama did it. So it's bad.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:46 PM   #1457
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There is a police department that tries to increase revenues by giving out more tickets and fines. This is ground breaking news!

There were 14 instances of resisting arrest during X time frame and all 14 were black people. Yeah, that mean cops are racist!

One time a cop harassed a grown man at a park and accused him of being a pedophile. Guess what race he was? Yeah you guessed it. That cop is racist.

A woman was late paying a parking ticket and now she ended up paying way more because she was an African American. Please note the extra payment had nothing to with her not paying on time.

That Washington post is doing some amazing journalism.
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He is a clown. I don't care what he thinks about anyone.

Any evidence to support your claim that I'm racist?
That first post is a good start.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:55 PM   #1458
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And beyond all that, it is really really a problem that white people have that they think because they have, for example, a close black friend that they are all of a sudden immune from saying or doing racist things. This is absolutely not the case. Being racist is a natural extension of being born and raised in the United States, a white supremacist society, so what someone should do is reflect on that fact rather than be defensive when people tell them racism is a big problem in the United States.
If the US is a white supremacist society, how did Barack Obama become president? You mention hierarchies and providing platforms for minorities who push the view that the U.S. is not racist, but that does not appear to apply to Obama. If I am wrong about this, please explain.

Please also outline what would need to be demonstrated in your mind to show that the U.S. is not a white supremacist society, because, as Mat Sklansky is also unclear on this point, apparently minorities claiming that there is no white supremacy culture is insufficient.

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Anyway, if you want to understand why your black friend might believe that racism doesn't exist or isn't a major problem in America, consider this. White supremacy runs so deep in this country, any person of color who's willing to deny the fabric of white supremacy can get a very big, very loud platform because they are the perfect tools of white supremacy. The people at the top of the hierarchy get way more mileage out of Omarosa than they do out of Mike Huckabee. And there will never be any end to the incentives for people of color (normal people, not just those with a huge media platform too, because those people tend to work with white people and their bosses tend to be white people) to adopt these kind of ideas in order to push their way into what they see as the upper eschelons of the socioeconomic ladder. The higher a person is on that ladder, the more and more pressure is on that person to push these notions of "colorblindness" that actually enable and empower white supremacist hierarchies in the United States.
I had attended an AME church in the Rust Belt for many years as a congregation member and as a volunteer tutor in a location that had not insignificant problems with crime. Many of their sermons concentrated on the following themes:

- Staying in school and getting an education
- Not doing drugs or alcohol
- Not getting pregnant or getting someone pregnant before marriage
- Not committing crimes.
- Community outreach by the black community to the other communities, and especially to the police, which includes reporting crimes and criminals to the police and having community leaders meet with the police community outreach divisions weekly.
- Removing the Uncle Tom mindset and reaching out to successful black people to mentor other black people on how to succeed. Had many guest speakers from law enforcement, military, business, etc. give their experiences as successful black members of society.

Not once did I hear them say that their problems were due to the police or racism or white supremacy, and they don't buy such arguments either although they have been made before to the AME ministry. Is their approach and mentality correct or incorrect? Are they simply victims of white supremacy in your mind for denying racism in their desire to push into the upper echelons and be accepted by white people? If that is the case, how do I teach them about your view of white supremacy being the root of their community problems to better educate them on achieving success?

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Old 02-22-2017, 10:05 PM   #1459
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Not once did I hear them say that their problems were due to the police or racism or white supremacy, and they don't buy such arguments either although they have been made before. Is their approach and mentality correct or incorrect?
If they think none of their problems have any root in white supremacy I think they're pretty incorrect, and so would the volumes that Ta-Nehisi Coates has written on the subject.
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Old 02-22-2017, 10:08 PM   #1460
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Old 02-22-2017, 10:16 PM   #1461
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"The fascist Hitler is still in power" meme is still alive strong.

Is she one of the active The Resistance members here? Try to count how many times Hitler and fascist is mentioned.

https://youtu.be/aVcFJ_zY6g4?t=1164

She kind of sums up the hysteria regarding Trump.
over-estimating and under-estimating what people are doing at the same time is very gymnastic.
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Old 02-22-2017, 10:24 PM   #1462
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That first post is a good start.
There are thousands of people that get approached by the police every day and a bunch of them resist arrest. The article uses a sample size of 15 and I'm racist for calling them out on the poor sample size? Hundreds of people get fined for not paying a parking ticket and they literally hand pick one person who is black and I'm racist for saying how terrible of an example it is?

There really are racist cops out there and these are the examples the author chooses? I know there is less racism today than there ever has been in the history of this country, but I'd still expect the author to do some research to show us some real statistically significant stats showing racism in the police force.
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Old 02-22-2017, 10:47 PM   #1463
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How do you know bah bah?
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Old 02-22-2017, 11:30 PM   #1464
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:16 AM   #1465
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He is a clown. I don't care what he thinks about anyone.

Any evidence to support your claim that I'm racist?
LG is a lot smarter than you. It was fun watching him toy with you.
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:23 AM   #1466
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There are thousands of people that get approached by the police every day and a bunch of them resist arrest. The article uses a sample size of 15 and I'm racist for calling them out on the poor sample size? Hundreds of people get fined for not paying a parking ticket and they literally hand pick one person who is black and I'm racist for saying how terrible of an example it is?

There really are racist cops out there and these are the examples the author chooses? I know there is less racism today than there ever has been in the history of this country, but I'd still expect the author to do some research to show us some real statistically significant stats showing racism in the police force.
The research is out there, you have to want to read it though. In my mid sized American southern city a study came out:https://drivingwhileblacknashville.f...deons-army.pdf

I doubt you'll read it but the jist is that you are more likely to be pulled over driving while black. If you cannot first understand the deep embedded distrust of police in the black community you should not be in this conversation.
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:35 AM   #1467
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How do you know bah bah?
How do I know what?

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LG is a lot smarter than you. It was fun watching him toy with you.
If he is smart he is terrible at arguing his point. He looks stupid every time he argues with someone. His only move is a personal attack.
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:57 AM   #1468
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The research is out there, you have to want to read it though. In my mid sized American southern city a study came out:https://drivingwhileblacknashville.f...deons-army.pdf

I doubt you'll read it but the jist is that you are more likely to be pulled over driving while black. If you cannot first understand the deep embedded distrust of police in the black community you should not be in this conversation.
Yeah I'm not reading 213 pages. I read/skimmed the first 20ish pages though.

I find it interesting that they point out that one of the reasons they believe black people get pulled over more than white people is because the police patrol low income neighborhoods more and they said there is a higher % of black people that live in those neighborhoods.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:20 AM   #1469
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Anyway, if you want to understand why your black friend might believe that racism doesn't exist or isn't a major problem in America, consider this. White supremacy runs so deep in this country, any person of color who's willing to deny the fabric of white supremacy can get a very big, very loud platform because they are the perfect tools of white supremacy. The people at the top of the hierarchy get way more mileage out of Omarosa than they do out of Mike Huckabee. And there will never be any end to the incentives for people of color (normal people, not just those with a huge media platform too, because those people tend to work with white people and their bosses tend to be white people) to adopt these kind of ideas in order to push their way into what they see as the upper eschelons of the socioeconomic ladder.
Of those in this category how many are espousing these views for personal gain consciously versus unconsciously?
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:24 AM   #1470
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Yeah I'm not reading 213 pages. I read/skimmed the first 20ish pages though.

I find it interesting that they point out that one of the reasons they believe black people get pulled over more than white people is because the police patrol low income neighborhoods more and they said there is a higher % of black people that live in those neighborhoods.
The fact that this is news to you says something about how naive your view of the system is.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:28 AM   #1471
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You admit they were correct the first time?

You don't think they have been flooding in since the first ban was reversed?

Are you really this desperate to smear President Trump?

You need to get over your loss. Your desperation is obvious!
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:37 AM   #1472
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Perhaps black people achieve success by focusing less on racism and more on what they can personally do to become successful.
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Old 02-23-2017, 09:08 AM   #1473
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What's the point of imposing sanctions to get people to stop building a nuke if you don't remove them when they agree to stop?

Nevermind. Obama did it. So it's bad.
What happens in about 12 years when the deal as we know it is done? Iran will be able to enrich as much uranium as it wants. This deal is just kicking the can down the road for another administration to deal with. A real deal would not be dependent on a time table. It would be focused on the behavior of Iran. Iran continues to show hostility in the region and it's hate for the west.
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The fact that this is news to you says something about how naive your view of the system is.
That isn't news to anyone. Every time someone posts an article claiming the police significantly target one race I almost always say they need to factor in where these arrests/pull overs are happening and see if it is because they are in high crime neighborhoods.

My whole point with all of this is that the police don't deserve 100% of the blame if one race feels they are being targeted. Some focus needs to be on why there are more blacks in poor neighborhoods, why there is more crime in poor neighborhoods and how we can change these things.

It is easy to blame the last event/person that shows disparate impact is going on, but placing 100% of blame on them is wrong. Placing 100% blame on the police for pulling over more black people is as stupid as blaming the hiring committee for the ceo position of Fortune 500 companies for not hiring more minorities. There is too much going on before these events to give them that much blame.
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Of those in this category how many are espousing these views for personal gain consciously versus unconsciously?
A lot of them are totally unconscious and not trying to actively get personal gain out of it, in my opinion. See it all comes back to the U.S. being such a white supremacist society--it's so ubiquitous and so baked-into everything that you can easily pick up those sentiments without ever realizing it. And you can pick up those sentiments as a black person just like you can as a white person.
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