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In any event, nobody should advocate, support, or condone the violence experienced at the rally. Especially the irresponsible neo-nazi nutjob who used his car like a battering ram into a crowd of counter-protesters and caused one death and numerous injuries.

The car incident was horrific. No one is in any way condoning that. The "fighting" though, seemed to be provoked from the leftists. As I've said, they had bats, the Nazis had shields. There's a good reason for that.

And to be honest the "fighting" didn't seem too bad. Neither side really committed and the "violence" was really just a bunch of pudgy out of shape people slapping each other. If you look at the video closely there were many chances to really hurt someone and people didn't take it. For example, when Erdogan was here and his bodyguards got into a fight with protestors, they were actually trying to hurt them. The Nazis and antifa werent.

08-14-2017 , 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by whosnext

A charitable interpretation of the armed militia members being at the rally is that they were there to prevent either side from suppressing the free speech of the other side. From what I have read they had already left the area (at the request of the local police and national guard) when the fatal incident took place.

In any event, nobody should advocate, support, or condone the violence experienced at the rally. Especially the irresponsible neo-nazi nutjob who used his car like a battering ram into a crowd of counter-protesters and caused one death and numerous injuries.

That would be an incorrect interpretation. The Oath Keepers "oppose the removal of any of the public statues and monuments under attack by the Marxist left."

They were in Charlotte to stand with their right wing brethren in support of Robert E. Lee.

08-14-2017 , 04:37 AM

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Yes, they were essentially neutral, which makes cows question irrelevant. Cows is suggesting they were there to side with the Nazis. They weren't.

The car incident was horrific. No one is in any way condoning that. The "fighting" though, seemed to be provoked from the leftists. As I've said, they had bats, the Nazis had shields. There's a good reason for that.

And to be honest the "fighting" didn't seem too bad. Neither side really committed and the "violence" was really just a bunch of pudgy out of shape people slapping each other. If you look at the video closely there were many chances to really hurt someone and people didn't take it. For example, when Erdogan was here and his bodyguards got into a fight with protestors, they were actually trying to hurt them. The Nazis and antifa werent.

Mother ****er, there were multiple right wing groups there armed to the teeth. Look at this:

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When people talk about hegemony of property rights this is what they mean. Even a decent guy touts no property damage as a good thing when 3 people died and dozens were injured because of bad police prep.

One of the right wingers drove through a crowd of people, killing someone, and you have the ****ing audacity to say they were there for peace, and leftists went down there to cause violence. **** you wil.

08-14-2017 , 04:37 AM

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There's just no talking to you. You literally only believe what you want to believe. Discussing anything when you is ridiculous.

Oathkeepers do NOT condone racism. They welcome all races. Just be quiet, please. You couldn't be more wrong.

08-14-2017 , 04:39 AM

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The group’s members have become fixtures at political rallies and protests, where they show up wearing military gear and carrying assault weapons, for the self-proclaimed purpose of protecting speakers and demonstrators from counterprotesters.

They drew criticism for patrolling the streets of Ferguson, Mo., with semiautomatic rifles during the 2014 protests and riots over the police shooting of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager. A handful of Oath Keepers were present during the armed occupation of an Oregon wildlife refuge in January 2016, and the group’s leaders urged members to patrol polling places on Election Day in 2016.

More recently, members have appeared as self-appointed “security” at conservative-led demonstrations in Oregon, California and elsewhere, ostensibly to defend attendees against antifa activists who turned out in opposition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...racist-enough/

08-14-2017 , 04:40 AM

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Mother ****er, there were multiple right wing groups there armed to the teeth. Look at this:

One of the right wingers drove through a crowd of people, killing someone, and you have the ****ing audacity to say they were there for peace, and leftists went down there to cause violence. **** you wil.

Ok that's enough for tonight. If this continues tomorrow I'm just going to put you on ignore. You are simply a waste of my time at this point.

08-14-2017 , 04:48 AM

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Sam Andrews, the former leader of the Oath Keepers in St. Louis, led the march on Tuesday from a public transit pavilion to the Ferguson Police Department and back. But there were no armed black protestors from Ferguson at his side, as he had promised. Instead, the two dozen or so who came were gun rights enthusiasts, Obama birthers and Andrews’s family and friends.

A protest that attracted so much attention, and ultimately led to Andrews leaving the Oath Keepers over an argument with founder Stewart Rhodes, proved in the end to be a glimpse at the complicated internal politics of an organization that has worked hard to put itself at the center of the most contentious issues on the American cultural landscape, from LGBT rights to land rights.

And as the protest was about to begin, Andrews was eager to explain why.

“The [Oath Keepers] leadership didn’t want black people to be armed in a protest,” Andrews told Hatewatch on Tuesday. “They didn’t want to see black people opposing the police. They were perfectly OK seeing white people and people of different colors pointing their rifles at federal agents at the Bundy Ranch. But you can’t have black people marching for their rights with their rifles pointed at the ground.”

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...sters-ferguson

08-14-2017 , 04:49 AM

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wil cant read this is getting surreal

08-14-2017 , 04:55 AM

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Louis Cyphre

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They should put a Heather Heyer statue where the Lee statue was before.

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08-14-2017 , 04:58 AM

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Along with like-minded groups like the Proud Boys, a clan of young conservative nationalists, and the Oath Keepers, an organization of current and former law-enforcement officers and military veterans, they mobilized on social media to fight in New Orleans over the removal of Confederate monuments

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/u...-colleges.html

08-14-2017 , 05:04 AM

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Dear Oath Keepers, Three Percenters, veterans, bikers, and other patriots,

Our Louisiana Oath Keepers chapter is deploying to New Orleans to help defend free speech and also to defend the Civil War monuments from illegal destruction by Antifa and other radical leftists, who have threatened to tear down the Robert E. Lee statue tomorrow, Sunday, May 7. In particular, we are sending some of our most experienced retired police officers and military veterans from Louisiana, as well as some of the same Oath Keepers police and special warfare veteran leaders we sent twice to Berkeley, CA – men who are very experienced at shutting Anti-fa down.

They can use your help. If you are of the right mindset and capability to be a “hands on” defender and are within driving range such that you can get to New Orleans by 11:00 AM tomorrow morning. If so, please show up to help defend people from assault. Yesterday we sent out an alert email to our members in nearby states, asking them to come help, but this is now a public call to action to all patriots, whether you are a member of Oath Keepers or not. We apologize for the short notice, but this is a fluid situation and we also have eyes on Baton Rouge, which is at risk of civil disturbances as well as being at risk of active shooters as we already saw there last year.

In New Orleans tomorrow, we are focusing our effort on protecting the Robert E. Lee statue and the protesters who are supporting its preservation, but we will be keeping an eye on all of the monuments and all of the protesters, and we will be particularly focused on protecting people from assault and battery by the radical leftists. If you can make it, please rally at the New Orleans WWII Museum back parking lot (to the rear of the building) at 11:00 AM.

https://www.oathkeepers.org/oath-kee...ay-may-7-1100/

08-14-2017 , 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

In case this is not obvious, the Charlottesville rally only received huge national attention due to the horrific car-ramming incident which took the life of a counter-protester and injured many others.

This violence has been denounced by virtually everyone in the public arena. The vast majority of public declarations have denounced the Nazis, the KKK members, and the other white nationalists who organized the rally (including by Ivanka Trump).

Given the history of Nazis, the KKK, and the white supremacy movement, to now argue over an apportionment of the blame for the violence when a neo-nazi is in jail for murder and one counter-protester is dead seems to be the height of insensitivity and displays a total lack of understanding of the (potential) importance of the incident.

08-14-2017 , 05:16 AM

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Cows is suggesting they were there to side with the Nazis. They weren't.

Yes, they were there to side with the Neo-Nazis in protesting the removal of the Confederate statue of Robert E. Lee. The oath keepers themselves say they "oppose the removal of any of the public statues and monuments under attack by the Marxist left."

08-14-2017 , 05:18 AM

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You god damn dishonest mother ****er, there were multiple right wing militias there armed with assault rifles and body armor.

SHOW ME THE VIOLENT LEFTISTS WITH ASSAULT RIFLES AND BODY ARMOR YOU ****ING LIAR

08-14-2017 , 05:27 AM

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Why are you being dishonest wil? If you were being honest you would say something along the lines of "Yes, the oath keepers are far right wing, and they went to protest the removal of the Confederate Statue of Robert E. Lee. You're also right that there were multiple right wing militias armed with assault rifles and military gear, and I don't know of any leftist groups who went armed with assault rifles and military gear."

How honest do you feel like being, wil?

08-14-2017 , 05:38 AM

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What's amazing is there are many people on the left in this thread who know exactly who oathkeepers are and what their role was and are staying silent and letting cows think cows is correct.

Cows couldn't be more wrong about the situation, and all of you stay silent. Absolutely amazing how dishonest you people are in every single way.

You're being a bigot. You're refusing to refer to me as "she". Proper English is "staying silent and letting cows think she is correct."

08-14-2017 , 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

I'm putting you on ignore permanently. You're just too emotional and, honestly, stupid to engage with. Seek help. Bye.

08-14-2017 , 05:48 AM

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You don't have the wil power, dishonest ****ing bigot.

08-14-2017 , 06:02 AM

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ACEG, welcome to the club. We're pretty exclusive, surprisingly.

08-14-2017 , 07:05 AM

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A bunch of hooligans lined the street and a crazy dude ran someone over and this is somehow a national emergency and Trump's fault.

08-14-2017 , 07:11 AM

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Yes, they were essentially neutral, which makes cows question irrelevant. Cows is suggesting they were there to side with the Nazis. They weren't.

The armed militia assembled with the fascists. The Oath Keepers oppose the removal of Confederate statues, but claim they didn't ask their members to attend that rally, so the militia were either from other groups or were there on their own initiative to support the fascists.

08-14-2017 , 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by whosnext

Is that right? Scroll to 3:00 and listen to Obama after 5 cops shot in Dallas.

How about Bernie Sanders after one of his supporters shot Steve Scalese? Scroll to 2:15.

There's a word for all this. It starts with the letter H, and ends with "ypocrisy".

YOUR CREW DID THE SAME ****ING THING.

08-14-2017 , 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

We have video coverage and we have accounts of what happened.

Believe what you wish. I can't force you to see what you don't wish to. We disagree.

08-14-2017 , 07:51 AM

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Cows, your a perfect example of a person with a broken mind who is taught history incorrectly. Your entire view of America is so laughably wrong it makes me sad. You are as un-american as a person I've ever come across.

I only hope there aren't enough of you to **** this place up worse. What did you study in college that brought you to this point? It couldn't have been a field based in logic.

You sound like an argumentative bigot.