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Yeah for some reason I thought you were from Chicago, but apparently you're Canadian. All good, just kind of ridiculous to see this forum is largely just bigoted foreign right wingers who don't know anything about America trying to talk about America, and Americans pointing out how ignorant and uneducated they are.

Great discussion in this forum. Really great

I'm a professional poker player and I play online connect the dots

really great when you don't know your own history and use geography to justify losing an argument

08-14-2017 , 02:06 AM

#13527

BroadwaySushy

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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

Nah, we just like laughing at idiot leftists.

08-14-2017 , 02:23 AM

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whosnext

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Fine, but accept that there is a risk you might get hurt.

You have made this "point" in numerous posts, many of them after chezlaw politely asked you to cease and desist your at-least-borderline blaming the victim.

If you think that "point" needed to be made, consider it made. You don't need to keep repeating it. Many, including mods of the forum, find it inappropriate and offensive. There is plenty to talk about regarding this incident without resorting to victim-blaming.

Final warning to you and everybody else that those types of posts will not be allowed going forward. Timeouts will be issued for any subsequent posts of this nature.

08-14-2017 , 02:27 AM

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AllCowsEatGrass

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Originally Posted by Iron Tamer

yes but this is not the reason why the US rich, if conquest makes countries rich why is Russia so poor? if exploitation is the reason why is Brazil a ****hole. if slavery makes countries rich why are the SA countries who had more slaves and had them for longer so poor?

sure, and after slavery ended they made more money. The south had cotten and the north had manufactoring. The north had less than 2x the population but had what 4+ times the GDP. The southern states were backwaters because of slavery.

the idea that slavery made the US rich when it made the slave states backwaters and had the US fight a ruinous war to end it is laughable. No one is disputing that slavery wasn't big industry the dispute is whether the US is currently rich because of slavery, and that isn't even close. Slavery was a net negative in every sense of the word. It made the practitioners poor compared to the free states.

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Mr. Baptist, a history professor at Cornell...

Wading through the research, Mr. Baptist said he realized that he had two big stories. “One is the expansion of American capitalism on the backs of enslaved human beings,” said Mr. Baptist, who grew up in Durham, N.C., the son of a librarian mother and a biochemist father. “And the other is the way they had to move faster and faster and think harder and harder,” he said of those slaves. “Historians have spent a lot of time talking about whether African-Americans resisted. In forced migrations, survival was a kind of resistance in finding ways to stand in solidarity with each other and to write stories about themselves to say: This is a crime.”

In his work, Mr. Baptist also followed the money. “I started tracking the process of credit flow into the South, huge amounts of money,” he said. “Southerners created numerous financial innovations that were essential to the process of the domestic slave trade. Slave owners put mortgages on slaves as they bought them. Britain had abolished slavery, but you can essentially buy slaves by buying one of those bonds. It shows the linkage.”

As he writes in the book: “The idea that the commodification and suffering and forced labor of African-Americans is what made the United States powerful and rich is not an idea that people necessarily are happy to hear. Yet it is the truth.”

Suresh Naidu, a Columbia University economist who also studies slavery, said economists would call for even more quantitative evidence for Mr. Baptist’s arguments but said his book was a “great interpretation of slavery.” Economic historians have tended to focus on how market forces blunted the worst aspects of slavery, Mr. Naidu said, but Mr. Baptist demonstrates how the drive for profit exacerbated physical punishment and forced migration.

Mr. Baptist’s work joins that of historians like Walter Johnson at Harvard (“River of Dark Dreams: Slavery and Empire in the Cotton Kingdom”) and Craig Steven Wilder at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (“Ebony & Ivy: Race, Slavery, and the Troubled History of America’s Universities”). Taken together, their books, both from 2013, connected the dots among plantation labor, London bankers and Northeast factories, and the creation of Ivy League universities.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/04/b...f-slavery.html

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From the earliest days of the American colonies, African slaves played an important role in the South because there was a shortage of workers throughout the fledgling nation. Yet as the use of slaves diminished in the North over time, it increased in the Southern states. This was because it was advantageous for the landowners to use slaves instead of hiring white free laborers who might cost more, strike, or quit. Their plantations depended on increased production of export crops on increasingly tired soil.
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Considered under law to be both person and property, the slaves had no control over their lives as laborers. In 1860 approximately 400,000 white families owned 4 million slaves, which amounted to 12 percent of the white population controlling more than half of the slaves and creating a "power elite" (Starobin 1970, p. 5).

Although on even footing with Northern progress prior to 1815, industrialization in the South lagged behind that of the North afterward, with only 20 percent of the nation's manufacturers being located in the Southern states. Not coincidentally, wages were lower in the South as well, with per capita income in 1860 measured at $103 in the South, compared with $141 in the North (Kolchin 1993, p. 175). Southern industry did not develop as rapidly as that of the North for a number of reasons, including a lack of investment capital, well-trained managers, and up-to-date technology, and the absence of reliable transportation. Most entrepreneurial start-ups were funded by plantation owner's funds, not the conglomerates of shareholders found in the North. In addition, plantation owners often had difficulty hiring expert managers, who were in short supply nationally, and were frequently deterred by the South's withering climate; thus, they had to pay a premium to convince managers to come south. Furthermore, because of insufficient knowledge and capital, entrepreneurs were not necessarily able to use the most efficient methods that would allow them to create goods that could compete well in the North and abroad. Finally, the slow pace of railroad construction, which was not well funded by state and local governments, made for inefficient—thus costly—transportation routes. The businesses that had the most success in marketing their products in the North were located in the border states.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/humaniti...-slavery-south

08-14-2017 , 02:29 AM

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AllCowsEatGrass

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Originally Posted by whosnext

Thank you. There's some pretty horrendous things being said itt regarding the Charlottesville attack.

08-14-2017 , 03:00 AM

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Cows, your a perfect example of a person with a broken mind who is taught history incorrectly. Your entire view of America is so laughably wrong it makes me sad. You are as un-american as a person I've ever come across.

I only hope there aren't enough of you to **** this place up worse. What did you study in college that brought you to this point? It couldn't have been a field based in logic.

08-14-2017 , 03:02 AM

#13532

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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

wil tried to assert the right wing nutjobs were peaceful, and it was the leftists who went down there looking for a fight. Carrying an assault rifle and wearing a flak jacket isn't looking for peace.

Bet if BLM went with armor and guns he and the rest would have no issues...lol.

08-14-2017 , 03:08 AM

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What's amazing is there are many people on the left in this thread who know exactly who oathkeepers are and what their role was and are staying silent and letting cows think cows is correct.

Cows couldn't be more wrong about the situation, and all of you stay silent. Absolutely amazing how dishonest you people are in every single way.

08-14-2017 , 03:10 AM

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corvette24

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Just like Trump, everything you say about others is not remotely true about them, but is 100% true about you. You are a completely worthless human scumbag. Everyone reading this thread knows it. Everyone. Hopefully you are just a troll intentionally spewing complete nutjob rhetoric, but I doubt it. You're just worthless. Crawl back in your hole and never speak again. We would all be better off.

08-14-2017 , 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Worthless Wil. Proven over and over again without a shadow of a doubt. Usually there is at least some wonder, but not with Wil. Pure human garbage.

08-14-2017 , 03:21 AM

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wil318466

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Your post is idiotic but there's a real problem here. I'm deeply concerned about where you morons were actually taught this. This isn't something that came out of the blue, it must be a wide-spread issue that I'm inexperienced with. I'm not much older than most of you so I'm caught a bit off guard.

How can so many of you believe in such nonsense, especially so in such a manner where even considering the other side is absolutely out of the question?

It's baffling how wrong you ****ing idiots are across the board, in every category, and DISHONEST about it. I literally can't believe what I'm reading.

Have we as a society really turned this stupid?

08-14-2017 , 03:22 AM

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AllCowsEatGrass

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Where's the leftists with assault rifles and military gear?

08-14-2017 , 03:26 AM

#13538

batair

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Think with how hard the right has been pushing that might be coming unfortunately.

08-14-2017 , 03:29 AM

#13539

corvette24

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Yep, you are worthless. Want to know where I was taught that? I learned it reading this thread. It's clear to everyone. You're worthless. That's all that needs to be said in response to you from now on. Wil is worthless and everyone knows it. Everything he posts is completely wrong. It's either intentional, or he is a worthless moron. End of story.

08-14-2017 , 03:32 AM

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wil318466

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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

Where's the leftists with assault rifles and military gear?

You're simply wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about, they weren't there to help the protestors.

Don't believe me, go into the main forum and post the pictures you showed here and ask if someone can explain to you who they are and why they were there. I'm sure someone you trust more than me will confirm what I said.

You simply don't know what you are looking at because you are ignorant. I recognized who they were as soon as I saw them, other people in the thread did too. For you to assume they were there to intimidate or scare the leftists is just comically wrong.

08-14-2017 , 03:37 AM

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AllCowsEatGrass

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that doesn't answer my question

08-14-2017 , 03:37 AM

#13542

corvette24

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Yep, you are worthless. Nothing but pure lunacy and moronic garbage that is blatantly wrong in all of your posts. I wonder where you got an education to learn that kind of nonsense. End of story.

08-14-2017 , 03:38 AM

#13543

batair

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Originally Posted by Paramecium

Ho Lee ***

08-14-2017 , 03:38 AM

#13544

wil318466

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Originally Posted by corvette24

Then I think the purpose of your education, to look at things objectively and come to logical and rational conclusions, has been a total failure and a waste of your money.

I'm a pretty reflective person and try my best to rethink my positions. If there is anything I've learned in my life its to not believe I can't be wrong. I freely admit I may possibly be wrong on many, if not all, of these topics. I don't believe I am, and I'm reinforced by admitting I used to be on the other side of it.

As far as me being worthless, you could possibly be correct there, too. I can only look at the evidence, my career, my family, my friendships, and make an assessment. I live a full and rewarding life (plus I'm ****ing loaded), so I'd have to disagree with you there too.

The only thing I can admit is we are very far apart on these issues. So much so that it worries me. You may simply be stupid, but you actually sound brain-washed to me, which is actually alarming. Stupid is acceptable. You are something completely different.

I think I'll be ok, as I'm well into the 2nd half of my life and people like you are easy to handle in the real world (in the real world you people are laughed at). I'm just worried your brain virus might spread to my kids. That's what worries me.

08-14-2017 , 03:39 AM

#13545

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whosnext in the hizzy

There Will Be Sanctions

08-14-2017 , 03:41 AM

#13546

6ix

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that doesn't answer my question

Even grading on a curve, that really, really didn't.

08-14-2017 , 03:44 AM

#13547

wil318466

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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

that doesn't answer my question

If you understood what you were looking at you wouldn't be asking the question. Please, go ask in the main forum. They will tell you what I said.

You remind me of "the kid".

08-14-2017 , 03:44 AM

#13548

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Another few hundred words and not one specific named.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

08-14-2017 , 03:45 AM

#13549

corvette24

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Naturally this post means you are stupid and brain-washed. All of us are worried you might spread that to your offspring. That's what worries us. I'm older than you. I'm certainly smarter than you. I happen to be out for more than myself. You can't say that. In your world, it's all about white power. There's no doubt you are simply stupid. No doubt.

08-14-2017 , 03:48 AM

#13550

corvette24

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Originally Posted by 6ix

Another few hundred words and not one specific named.

It's just thrown together spewy garbage with no point to it. It's just like Trump not being able to condemn the white nationalists because he agrees with them. Wil can't condemn any worldly wrongdoings because he agrees with the fascist point of view.

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