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Old 08-13-2017, 11:08 PM   #13451
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Re: President Trump

Do I have to repeat myself?

They are oathkeepers. Look it up. They aren't with either group. Come on if you're going to discuss things know what you are looking at. They have ARs and flak jackets. They are the only people there dressed like that. That should give you a hint.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:11 PM   #13452
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Oath Keepers is a far-right,[1][2] anti-government[3][4][5][6][7][a] American organization associated with the patriot movement and militia movement.[8][9] The group describes itself as a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to "defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic."[10] It encourages members – some of whom are current and former U.S. military and law enforcement officers – not to obey orders which they believe would violate the United States Constitution. The organization claims a membership of up to 30,000.[11][dubious – discuss]

Several groups that monitor domestic terrorism and hate groups describe the Oath Keepers as extremist or radical. Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) describes the group as "heavily armed extremists with a conspiratorial and anti-government mindset looking for potential showdowns with the government."[12][13] The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) lists the group's founder as a known extremist and describes his announced plans to create localized militia units as "frightening". [14] According to the SPLC, the group espouses a number of conspiracy and legal theories associated with the sovereign citizen movement and the white supremacist posse comitatus movement.[15][16][17] SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok describes the group as a whole as "really just an anti-government group who believe in a wild set of conspiracy theories."[14]
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:12 PM   #13453
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Where's the leftists with assault rifles and military gear, wil?
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:14 PM   #13454
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Sigh.

Can someone else explain to him why oathkeepers show up to these events since cows won't listen to me?
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:15 PM   #13455
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Her, I'm a her. We've established this.

So tell me about how this right wing anti-government militia group is impartial and wasn't with the "unite the right"ers.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:22 PM   #13456
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Sigh.

Can someone else explain to him why oathkeepers show up to these events since cows won't listen to me?
Cows doesn't listen to anyone, so it would probably be a waste of time.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:23 PM   #13457
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Oathkeepers are there to ensure the police do not overstep. The reason why the cops weren't involved in the fighting was because of fear of engagement with the oathkeepers.

In Ferguson the police showed up with APCs and snipers and riot police. Oathkeepers showed up and the police stood down and didn't do anything. They don't want to risk a gun battle.

They are there to ensure the police do not take away the right of assembly or abuse of power. They do not take sides (I believe) and if you notice in the videos they simply tried to break up clashes. They weren't there for the Nazis.

Some view them as anti-government. Some view them as upholders of the Constitution.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:24 PM   #13458
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The discussion is silly. David Duke and his crew are *******s but they have rights. I don't like farkkhan or the black Panthers but they are absolutely fine gathering and marching.

The leftists went there LOOKING for a fight. They were armed with baseball bats and were throwing things. Let's not pretend they were acting like the westboro baptist church, who are absolutely despicable but are in no ways violent.

The violence was dictated by the actions of the leftists, outside of the car attack.
As it should be, any decent person would do all they can to oppose literal Nazis marching down the streets of America.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:24 PM   #13459
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I'm listening right now. Please tell me how the far right militia the oath keepers had nothing to do with the far right rally.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:27 PM   #13460
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The oathkeeers show up because they see themselves as largely white identity conservative guardians under the guise of "defending the Constitution". As someone who has talked to them, they're not some neutral defend-all-comers-unpopular-or-not-organization. That'd be the ACLU and the like. They aren't white supremacists though, again for the most part. They're basically Alex Jones listeners.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:28 PM   #13461
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Here's some more.



And what about these guys wil? I'm sure the guy with the rebel flag has nothing to do with the unite the right rally around Robert E. Lee.
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Oathkeepers are there to ensure the police do not overstep. The reason why the cops weren't involved in the fighting was because of fear of engagement with the oathkeepers.

In Ferguson the police showed up with APCs and snipers and riot police. Oathkeepers showed up and the police stood down and didn't do anything. They don't want to risk a gun battle.

They are there to ensure the police do not take away the right of assembly or abuse of power. They do not take sides (I believe) and if you notice in the videos they simply tried to break up clashes. They weren't there for the Nazis.
I am not sure that militia groups showing up to intimidate the police into not doing their job is a good thing, even if they were neutral, which is questionable assertion to say the least.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:28 PM   #13463
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Again, where's the leftists with assault rifles and military gear? I'd really love to see some pictures/reports.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:29 PM   #13464
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There should be more of them. Huey Newton Gun Club and the like.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:29 PM   #13465
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No it's relevant bro. We already know your answer just be man enough to say it yourself.
They're a bunch of moronic asshats, but that doesn't mean they can't have a rally.

If you just treat them as the idiots that they are and ignore them they will probably go away. They only do it because of the reaction they get.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:30 PM   #13466
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“I’ve had enough of following orders,” Eric Harrell, a South Florida police officer who’s also an Oath Keeper, told the Miami New Times last year. “I woke up. I’ve been living a lie. I’ve evolved.” Harrell, who meets with other cop Oath Keepers, was arrested last year after he refused to remove his Guy Fawkes mask amid a solitary protest of Obamacare at a busy Broward County intersection.

He derives many of his talking points from Alex Jones, a radio show host who runs the alternative news Web site infowars.com and often gives space to the discontent coursing through the Oath Keepers movement. “I think the Oath Keepers is one of the best things to happen to America since the American revolution,” Jones wrote.”There are two camps of critics of Oath Keepers: the ignorant people who believe everything they read, and the cunning tyrants who want the treasonous and lawless federal government to march ahead unopposed.”
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:31 PM   #13467
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It's bad policing. Doesn't matter if people show up looking for a fight, people do that all the time and people don't die. It's the police's job to organize the events as to minimize those possibilities and they didn't do it.
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They're a bunch of moronic asshats, but that doesn't mean they can't have a rally.

If you just treat them as the idiots that they are and ignore them they will probably go away. They only do it because of the reaction they get.

So this is the part where I'd REALLY like to hear you explain what the statue of Robert E. Lee represents.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:32 PM   #13469
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I am not sure that militia groups showing up to intimidate the police into not doing their job is a good thing, even if they were neutral, which is questionable assertion to say the least.
They believe in following the law. Protestors have the right to protest. They also are pro-law enforcement. They feel they are there to even out the balance of power, which is why the police take a hands off approach.

Interpret it how you wish.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:34 PM   #13470
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They're a bunch of moronic asshats, but that doesn't mean they can't have a rally.

If you just treat them as the idiots that they are and ignore them they will probably go away. They only do it because of the reaction they get.
So basically how we all reacted to the women marches earlier in the year.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:34 PM   #13471
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Good God wil Wrong-un slept on it and decided to refill his RWNJ talking point bag.



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Like the total destruction of the black family from top to bottom?

Yeah, you guys did a great job. Liberals run the cities and have for the last 75-100 years. Total and complete domination by liberals with liberal policies. They have decimated black families in this country over that time period. Single motherhood, black incarceration, education, income. You name it, liberals ****ed it up. Every category.

But, they have GOOD INTENTIONS GUYS! GOOD INTENTIONS!

Nothing has hurt black people more than liberal failure. Thank GOD you don't treat Asians the same. STAY AWAY. Keep "helping" blacks, don't move on to Asians. We don't want your ****ing help.

You people are ****ing disgusting. I don't know how you sleep at night looking at your results. Sickening.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:34 PM   #13472
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Hey wil, where are the leftists with assault rifles and military gear?
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:34 PM   #13473
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Yes having bumble dumb f*ck who cosplays his Modern Warfare fantasies on the weekend is the guy I want to relieve the police of their duties.
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Bonus points for not realizing how much he's been helped.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:35 PM   #13475
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As it should be, any decent person would do all they can to oppose literal Nazis marching down the streets of America.
I disagree. People have a right to believe in different things. That's how this works.

I do not agree with many people yet they are fine to believe whatever they wish, even if it includes hating me. I'm not into censoring anything or burning books. We've tried that before, it didn't turn out too well.
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