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Old 08-04-2017, 09:28 PM   #12426
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I, for one, welcome our new oligark overlords.
 
Old 08-04-2017, 09:45 PM   #12427
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Welcome, Overlord Abramovich.


 
Old 08-04-2017, 10:56 PM   #12428
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Trump retweeted Fox&Friends on judge jeanine's prediction that an indictment of Trump family members would result in an uproar.

1. He's clearly shook.
2. wtf is that idiot judge on? His family is working in the administration and worked in his campaign and in his businesses. They are fair game.


Can the Fox & Friend /News demographics even uprise without a viagra-assist? They probably think the art of war is a lefty hippy artist book.
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Old 08-04-2017, 10:58 PM   #12429
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President Trump

They gonna chuck bibles at us until who go to regime-approved bible study at city hall and county commission meetings?
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Old 08-05-2017, 01:24 AM   #12430
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Does someone do that?

"Lovely weather we're having, it would be better if there were no Muslims around.""

What planet do you live on?

I said people who disparage x when it comes up in conversation for no particular reason.

That doesn't mean they bring up the topic for no reason. It means that when the topic is brought up they'll look for every opportunity to dish out the negativity. I mean, I've also met people who've brought up islam in casual conversation at weddings so they could talk ****... they definitely do exist.. but that's not what I'm talking about.

You don't necessarily have to be cognizant of your animus. Like when people tell jokes / find humor in gay/race jokes that don't actually have a punchline besides that it paints the group they have animosity for in a negative light. These people generally don't think they're racist/homophobic/whatever... they just think the jokes are funny. Do they bring it up out of nowhere? Probably not. But maybe they happen to see a black guy walking down the street, and it reminds them of a joke they heard a while back.

But there're also higher functioning people who on forums like this understand where the line is drawn for socially acceptable behavior, where the pathology will instead result in them trying to bring the group down a peg by splitting hairs to criticize any post that paints them in a positive light, and will always somehow overlook dumb posts as long as they're critical of that group. Just like how you certain SJW-ish posters will, in every thread, come to the defense of anyone on the "right" side of an issue even if they happen to be arguing it terribly, and refuse to criticize the views of any poster who they think is a "good" person.

You really don't think there're haters on here? There're a lot of people out there who have miserable lives showing up every day to work jobs that they think are beneath them. They're just itching for an opportunity to assert their dominance.
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Old 08-05-2017, 01:31 AM   #12431
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Old 08-05-2017, 02:31 AM   #12432
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No offense meant here, but do you even know what bigotry is?
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That's an odd question.
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Old 08-05-2017, 02:55 AM   #12433
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Luuuul I'm grunching on this ****ing Pretentious Illiterate but I know this is heading towards ****face using the plain reading of that oversimplified and etymology-less definition from when you type 'bigot' in the Google search engine.

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What is bigotry?
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I want to know what you think it is
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No I can't. I again ask, what is your definition of bigotry?



Is there a difference in your mind between disagreement and intolerance, or is all disagreement intolerance?

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Are you evading because you are afraid of where the line of questioning will lead you?
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I take issue with your implication here that whatever you call bigotry is bigotry, especially if your definition of what bigotry is different from what it actually is.

If we are to have a reasonable conversation, we need to agree to definitions of terms or else there is no point. So I ask for the 5th time, what is bigotry?



Well, there is actually a definition of bigotry. What I'm wondering is if you know what it is. So (6th time): what is bigotry?

If you continue to evade the question I will have to conclude that you don't want to specifically define it because you want to use it for your own purposes and not to the end of having a clear and reasonable discussion with others who may have differing but not necessarily intolerant viewpoints from your own.
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Well I would have to assume because it is a loaded one, which is why it is important to define the terms you are using.

What is bigotry?

What is a phobia?

What is disagreement?

What is intolerance?
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Old 08-05-2017, 03:04 AM   #12434
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While we're at it, there's really no such thing as Islamophobia or Homophobia either.

Is someone running around going "Ack, I irrationally fear gay people!"?


I mean, should we also condemn Hinduphobia and Christianphobia as well?
You are you drooling lateterm abortion.

Maybe not homophobia but some or another ____phobia.


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Does someone do that?

"Lovely weather we're having, it would be better if there were no Muslims around.""

What planet do you live on?
That's pretty much your entire existence on this forum.
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Old 08-05-2017, 03:05 AM   #12435
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If you made a point to disparage lobsters when they came up in conversation for no particular reason, probably.
Ahah I mean did JerkoffMag think he was gonna shoot the moon with that one or what?
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Old 08-05-2017, 03:30 AM   #12436
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O **** how did I know?

13.1MM pages and this abortion is all like, ain't nobody got time for that, there's gotchaing to be had!

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I have made no accusations. Your definition of what bigotry is could very well be the textbook definition. I don't know because you're evading answering. What I said was that if your definition of it differs from mine, it's easy to see why we have disagreement about what constitutes it. How about this, I will give you what my definition is, and then ask if you agree with it or not, ok?

Bigotry is intolerance of other peoples opinions. Is that an agreeable definition?
Use a real ****ing dictionary.

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Old 08-05-2017, 03:33 AM   #12437
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:37 AM   #12438
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Wil I'm giving you a 1 day timeout for going back to this and for effectively denying the existence of transgender by asserting that gender is fully determined by physical bits. I'm trying to give lots of leeway as it's an important topic but it has to take as a given that transgender people exist and are that they are not in fact men just because they have a penis.

I accept some disagree but I can't allow a free for all on this topic and it's the best line I can find for now.
This is a ****ing joke. You are effectively forcing my political opinion here at the threat of being banned.

I've never seen anything this bad in the history of this forum. I've seen mods do absolutely ridiculous things just to be a dick, but to essentially FORCE a person's opinion on a topic or face bans or be completely silenced on the issue is absurdity.

I've never once made fun of or mocked trans people. I've never denied trans people's humanity. I've never denied that trans people exist. Despite all of these things, you impose a ban on me because I don't accept YOUR view.

This is why you and Zelda have so many problems modding this forum, and why Well Named was needed. You are following a philosophy that doesn't stand up to scrutiny in the real world.

You can't FORCE me to accept something YOU believe in. That is the very basis of the Western world. Jesus Christ, how the **** have we come to this?
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:44 AM   #12439
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This is a ****ing joke. You are effectively forcing my political opinion here at the threat of being banned.

I've never seen anything this bad in the history of this forum. I've seen mods do absolutely ridiculous things just to be a dick, but to essentially FORCE a person's opinion on a topic or face bans or be completely silenced on the issue is absurdity.

I've never once made fun of or mocked trans people. I've never denied trans people's humanity. I've never denied that trans people exist. Despite all of these things, you impose a ban on me because I don't accept YOUR view.

This is why you and Zelda have so many problems modding this forum, and why Well Named was needed. You are following a philosophy that doesn't stand up to scrutiny in the real world.

You can't FORCE me to accept something YOU believe in. That is the very basis of the Western world. Jesus Christ, how the **** have we come to this?
Let's take it to the Mod thread for lolz.

You believe in assaulting people you suspect of possessing a penis. This is a serious infringement of their human rights. In your own words, "That is the very basis of the Western world. Jesus Christ, how the **** have we come to this? "

Considering that your last ban was much longer, you got away lightly this time. If I was you, I'd pipe down and learn to show some humility for once in your craven little life.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:12 AM   #12440
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Wil - as pointed out you got a shorter timeout for repeating the same offense.

As for the rest, it may be more controversial in this case but it's standard for posters to have to remain silent about some views or face mod action. I'm not remotely insisting you agree with me.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:32 AM   #12441
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Wil - as pointed out you got a shorter timeout for repeating the same offense.

As for the rest, it may be more controversial in this case but it's standard for posters to have to remain silent about some views or face mod action. I'm not remotely insisting you agree with me.
Again, I never denied the existence of trans people. I respect them and wish them the best. I do not, however, believe their mental state trumps biology. Not only that, the majority opinion is in MY favor, not yours.

We can discuss this in the mod forum but we have a serious issue here. You are forcing me to believe in a definition of a "man" and a "woman". This is essentially the same thing (for example) as forcing someone to believe what is a human life or not at conception.

Chez, think about what you are doing here. You are making people concede a point at the threat of punishment. I would never force anyone to believe in the things I do under threat.
There's a word for that.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:52 AM   #12442
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Considering that your last ban was much longer, you got away lightly this time. If I was you, I'd pipe down and learn to show some humility for once in your craven little life.
I'm not some kind of pussy like you are. I stand by my beliefs, which is why I am a better person than you.

The world is full of virtue-signalling dickheads. I care nothing of your opinion or the praise of strangers.
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:27 AM   #12443
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Again, I never denied the existence of trans people. I respect them and wish them the best. I do not, however, believe their mental state trumps biology. Not only that, the majority opinion is in MY favor, not yours.

We can discuss this in the mod forum but we have a serious issue here. You are forcing me to believe in a definition of a "man" and a "woman". This is essentially the same thing (for example) as forcing someone to believe what is a human life or not at conception.

Chez, think about what you are doing here. You are making people concede a point at the threat of punishment. I would never force anyone to believe in the things I do under threat.
There's a word for that.
I'm not asking you to concede anything or forcing you to believe anything.

I'm saying we need to stick to policy and issues that effect TG people rather than discuss posters opinions about physical bits, biology and mind. That's a reluctant decision and we could go with the alternative of the mods sanctioning people based on our views of what breaks the rules against objectionable posts. I think that will be more problematic but it still wont be me (or the others) forcing anyone to agree on anything - expression of some views will still get timeouts and that includes your one about using force.
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:37 AM   #12444
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Again, I never denied the existence of trans people. I respect them and wish them the best. I do not, however, believe their mental state trumps biology. Not only that, the majority opinion is in MY favor, not yours.

We can discuss this in the mod forum but we have a serious issue here. You are forcing me to believe in a definition of a "man" and a "woman". This is essentially the same thing (for example) as forcing someone to believe what is a human life or not at conception.

Chez, think about what you are doing here. You are making people concede a point at the threat of punishment. I would never force anyone to believe in the things I do under threat.
There's a word for that.

So, it's not that you don't believe transgenderism exists, it's that you believe they're all incorrect?

Or, slightly aside from that, this is only about having a penis, so FTM and post-op MTF are a separate issue for you?

I'm trying to work with you here.
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:39 AM   #12445
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Wait, has wil even said, after all this time, how he would know if somebody had a penis?
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Old 08-05-2017, 09:06 AM   #12447
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I'm not some kind of pussy like you are. I stand by my beliefs, which is why I am a better person than you.

The world is full of virtue-signalling dickheads. I care nothing of your opinion or the praise of strangers.
You don't have any credible beliefs, other than disparaging minorities and blaming them when they fail to overcome biases and prejudices in society.

You're the absolute lowest of the low, wilch. You always come across as someone who was bullied a lot at school and has rock-bottom self-esteem as a result.

You're so upset about your ban you still can't see the obvious point that it's not acceptable to advocate assaulting people.

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Wait, has wil even said, after all this time, how he would know if somebody had a penis?
Nah. Also, he suggested that the whole thing would not be a big issue if things were just like they used to be, presumably with some sort of don't ask and don't tell unwritten policy, but didn't reply when asked about scenarios where somebody did tell. That scenario includes the possibility of personal violence, based on his previous statements.

Now he's playing the victim, claiming 2+2 moderation is the thought police forcing him to believe things. In the same breath he perpetuates stereotypes of transgenders and of mental health in general.
 
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I suppose we can cue up the inevitable 1a free speech rhetoric.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 10:10 AM   #12450
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Again, I never denied the existence of trans people. I respect them and wish them the best. I do not, however, believe their mental state trumps biology. Not only that, the majority opinion is in MY favor, not yours.

We can discuss this in the mod forum but we have a serious issue here. You are forcing me to believe in a definition of a "man" and a "woman". This is essentially the same thing (for example) as forcing someone to believe what is a human life or not at conception.

Chez, think about what you are doing here. You are making people concede a point at the threat of punishment. I would never force anyone to believe in the things I do under threat.
There's a word for that.
Of course this is all ridiculous. As chez pointed out, completely owning you, he's not forcing or even asking for any concession out of you. And the expression of some opinions is clearly against policy at 2p2 and people have been banned for that in the past.

But, what word are you suggesting there in the last sentence?
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