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Old 02-15-2017, 04:51 PM   #1151
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I would like to know what was actually missing from the video that Breitbart published. Sounds dishonest. Though I'm not sure.
Here's a recap I found:

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The conservative website had posted a cut from a video of a speech Sherrod had given to a local Georgia chapter of the NAACP, in which she recounted struggling to help a white farmer because of the way black farmers had been treated. "So I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough," she said in the clip.

Breitbart ran the story with the headline, "Video Proof: The NAACP Awards Racism-2010," and wrongly suggested that Sherrod had been talking about her behavior as a federal official.

The anecdote, however had been taken out of context, as TPM and other outlets reported at the time, and Sherrod had been talking about her own journey to overcome prejudices. Later on in the speech, past the part where the Breitbart story had cut, she described helping the farmer find a lawyer when he was blocked from filing bankruptcy and his farm was foreclosed.

"Working with him made me see that it's really about those who have versus those who don't. They could be black, they could be white, they could be Hispanic. And it made me realize then that I needed to work to help poor people, those who don't have access the way others have," she said.
Yeah, it was pretty dishonest.

At the time, "Breitbart" enjoyed a brief period as a verb meaning "to do a misleading hack job on someone" (also influenced by the work James O'Keefe was doing for Breitbart around then).
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Old 02-15-2017, 04:56 PM   #1152
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Well, at least DeVos and the others got through. It was kinda funny when people pointed to her being blocked by protestors at a school as some kind of sign of her or Trump's failure. (Some members of the left go ape-**** - means Trump failed - so silly it is just funny, not worth responding to.)

I'm still hopeful that Puzder will get through. Minimum wage damages the poor. Where is the compassion?

I love that Trump has appointed anti-big-government people everywhere.
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:04 PM   #1153
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I read that too. Must've been in or related to the Wikipedia article.

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"...she recounted struggling to help a white farmer because of the way black farmers had been treated. 'So I didn't give him the full force of what I could do.' "

sounds like her racism, back at that time. Though I need to hear the full video to know.

But if that is true, which appears to be what the USDA summary you cited is saying, that she was previously racist, but was now saying she had learned from that, then the next question is how much of the "I learned from that, and have changed," did Breitbart show? If he showed some of that, but not all of that, then I would not consider it dishonest. Again, I don't know, but from what I've seen so far, I still suspect that Breitbart got MSM'ed. Making a verb out of Breitbart means nothing, that's what the politics does.

Edit: Sorry, I meant "the TPM summary you cited."

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Old 02-15-2017, 05:06 PM   #1154
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You're certainly welcome to form different opinions from the same set of facts, but reacting to every anti-Trump article with "fake news" because you've built your own internal echo chamber where only the facts you like make it out alive just turns you into the utter Trump stooge we all know you as.
Lol goofy, you're a funny guy. I love you.
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:24 PM   #1155
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Well, at least DeVos and the others got through. It was kinda funny when people pointed to her being blocked by protestors at a school as some kind of sign of her or Trump's failure. (Some members of the left go ape-**** - means Trump failed - so silly it is just funny, not worth responding to.)

I'm still hopeful that Puzder will get through. Minimum wage damages the poor. Where is the compassion?

I love that Trump has appointed anti-big-government people everywhere.
minimum wage hurts the poor bc its not enough money to live on?

or do you want to crush these poor ppl even more so that they can are reduced to true subsistence while businesses rake in more profit?
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:33 PM   #1156
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then the next question is how much of the "I learned from that, and have changed," did Breitbart show? If he showed some of that, but not all of that, then I would not consider it dishonest. Again, I don't know, but from what I've seen so far, I still suspect that Breitbart got MSM'ed.
What have you "seen so far" that suggests Breitbart is the victim in this story?

You suggest Breitbart "got MSMed" - the MSM initially gave this story credibility and aired the video themselves!!! That's why Sherrod was fired! What on earth are you talking about??

edit: from that link, here is video of people on Fox News of all places saying, at that time, that to be fair to her they need to see the whole tape, not just Breitbart's selectively edited clip
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:47 PM   #1157
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If this is Stephen Miller's real Twitter account that's not gonna do a whole lot to combat the accusations about the Trump administration being all white-supremacist-y and everything
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:01 PM   #1158
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What have you "seen so far" that suggests Breitbart is the victim in this story?

You suggest Breitbart "got MSMed" - the MSM initially gave this story credibility and aired the video themselves!!! That's why Sherrod was fired! What on earth are you talking about??

edit: from that link, here is video of people on Fox News of all places saying, at that time, that to be fair to her they need to see the whole tape, not just Breitbart's selectively edited clip
I'm saying, first, was she admitting to previous racism as it appears, and second did Breitbart show her saying she had learned from the experience? But he just didn't show her full explanation saying she had learned from the experience? If he showed part of it, but not just all of it, then he was not necessarily being dishonest. Instead it might be a case of the media noticing that he held something back, and saying he lied, when, in fact, he did show part of what they want.

All that is my speculation without having seen the video. I'm just saying, from what I've read so far, I cannot tell whether Breitbart was dishonest, or was the MSM?
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:10 PM   #1159
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Instead it might be a case of the media noticing that he held something back, and saying he lied, when, in fact, he did show part of what they want.
Given that the media went HAM on this story and caused her to get fired based on the facts that Breitbart originally presented in their story, it's shocking to me that this is still in question to you.

Keep in mind that one important aspect of the original Breitbart story (it alleged that her racist behavior towards this white farmer was done in the course of her federally appointed duties) was categorically proven false; the story she related happened in the 80s.

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I'm just saying, from what I've read so far, I cannot tell whether Breitbart was dishonest, or was the MSM?
You said, apparently while still lacking a whole lot of information, that you "suspect Breitbart got MSM'ed", which says plenty about which of your own biases you've brought into this learning experience.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:14 PM   #1160
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I'm certainly biased, against the MSM, their conclusions.
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:08 PM   #1161
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Didn't Sherrod sue Breitbart? I believe his estate settled the case.

Edit: Yes

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckrak...lawsuit-settle
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:11 PM   #1162
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Yes, that's what I read. We don't know how much it was settled for.
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:13 PM   #1163
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It was actually the same article goofy posted, but I didn't notice.
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:20 PM   #1164
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minimum wage hurts the poor bc its not enough money to live on?

or do you want to crush these poor ppl even more so that they can are reduced to true subsistence while businesses rake in more profit?
You take 1000 people making 8-14 dollars an hour, raise the minimum wage to 15 an hour, and now you have 300 unemployed people and 700 people making 15 an hour. Where's the compassion for the 300 unemployed?
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:28 PM   #1165
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You take 1000 people making 8-14 dollars an hour, raise the minimum wage to 15 an hour, and now you have 300 unemployed people
Nope
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:29 PM   #1166
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Yes, that's what I read. We don't know how much it was settled for.
Reaching settlement's in lawsuits is totally standard. Litigation is very expensive and civil procedure is such that courts bend over backward to be fair to the litigants. Therefore a case can take a long time to play out(I know from experience). I am going to guess that she had a decent case but after being drug out for many years she got some money and decided it was better to move on than take the time and the risk of losing.
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Nope
Maybe.
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:31 PM   #1168
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Maybe.
Maybe not!
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:45 PM   #1169
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Mondigimon, serious question: Are you currently employed by Trump or a party affiliated with guerrilla propaganda to increase public opinion of Trump?
You gotta hope he's at least getting paid for it.
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:52 PM   #1170
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One afternoon, 3 investigations? The Trump White House’s ominous day.

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In the space of a little more than an hour on Tuesday afternoon, life was breathed into three separate and distinct potential investigations of the Trump administration.

First came the independent Office of Government Ethics's recommendation that the White House should investigate Kellyanne Conway's plug of Ivanka Trump's fashion line and “consider taking disciplinary action.” The letter was first tweeted by the House Oversight Committee's Democrats at 2 p.m.

A half-hour later, the Republican chairman of the Oversight Committee, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (Utah), announced a letter probing Trump's apparent discussion of sensitive information out in the open this weekend at Mar-a-Lago.

Finally, a little after 3 p.m., Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said it was “highly likely” the Senate would deepen its Russia investigation after Michael Flynn resigned as Trump's national security adviser and questions emerged about whether his December discussion of sanctions with Russia's ambassador broke the law.
This is one day in the Trump administration. Amazing.
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:55 PM   #1171
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Remember Trump saying Kushner will make peace in the Middle East and he would love to be known as the guy who made that happen? "I would love to be the one who made peace with Israel and the Palestinians, that would be such a great achievement" he said.

Well, how's that going?

Trump "can live with" a one-state or two-state solution, breaking from decades of foreign policy. The NYT notes the problem with this:



But don't worry, Trump will make a great deal, just the best deal:



This from the guy who had a secret plan for defeating ISIS he couldn't tell us about during the campaign and apparently still can't tell us now that he's president.
Do you really think there will be peace between these two any time soon?

Every candidate brags that they will bring peace to the middle east.

Why are you passing judgement this early in the administration?
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:56 PM   #1172
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One afternoon, 3 investigations? The Trump White House’s ominous day.



This is one day in the Trump administration. Amazing.
I think we have all heard about these stories.
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:10 PM   #1173
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minimum wage hurts the poor bc its not enough money to live on?

or do you want to crush these poor ppl even more so that they can are reduced to true subsistence while businesses rake in more profit?
Such a stupid argument. Oh you are against min wage/welfare so you must hate poor people and want to crush them. If there was no min wage or welfare state would you help poor people?
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:12 PM   #1174
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Not even a month in. The incompetence of this administration is astounding.

Imagine these guys taking over for Bush at the height of the financial crisis.
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:00 PM   #1175
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Nope
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Maybe.
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Maybe not!
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Such a stupid argument. Oh you are against min wage/welfare so you must hate poor people and want to crush them. If there was no min wage or welfare state would you help poor people?


CBO On Minimum Wage
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What Effects Would Those Options Have?
The $10.10 option would have substantially larger effects on employment and income than the $9.00 option would—because more workers would see their wages rise; the change in their wages would be greater; and, CBO expects, employment would be more responsive to a minimum-wage increase that was larger and was subsequently adjusted for inflation. The net effect of either option on the federal budget would probably be small.
Effects of the $10.10 Option on Employment and Income
Once fully implemented in the second half of 2016, the $10.10 option would reduce total employment by about 500,000 workers, or 0.3 percent, CBO projects (see the table below). As with any such estimates, however, the actual losses could be smaller or larger; in CBO’s assessment, there is about a two-thirds chance that the effect would be in the range between a very slight reduction in employment and a reduction in employment of 1.0 million workers.
I think it is fair to state that the consensus among economists is that minimum wage increases cost people jobs and the people that lose the jobs are lower income earners.
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