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07-27-2017 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
You honestly think I would change my views under threat of violence? Do you truly think that?
No. Who said that?


But it would be funny seeing her kick your ass if you tried to stop her with violence, if necessary, from peeing.
07-27-2017 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
No. Who said that?


But it would be funny seeing her kick your ass if you tried to stop her with violence, if necessary, from peeing.
A lot of things would be funny to some people. I think it speaks much about you that you'd like to see that. But, you are the person who lied about having children to make your point when we discussed this earlier.

It is amazing to me how dirty and scummy and dishonest so many of you are. It really is a shame, and goes to show how deep of a sickness we have in our society.

You prove my point, just as so many others have, so for that I thank you. No one makes you guys look scummier than yourselves. I don't even have to put in the work.
07-27-2017 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
mother of god i thought you were exaggerating
He cant have a real job in the real world with a real HR department.

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Originally Posted by wil318466
A lot of things would be funny to some people. I think it speaks much about you that you'd like to see that. But, you are the person who lied about having children to make your point when we discussed this earlier.

It is amazing to me how dirty and scummy and dishonest so many of you are. It really is a shame.
Lol
07-27-2017 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
You censor posters words and have called for at least one ban. Stop with your virtue signaling.
With the raw numbers WN put out in that thread this is especially hilarious.
07-27-2017 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/...social_twitter

Small price to pay for moving in the right direction as far as not being PC.
None of that is comforting. ugg...
07-27-2017 , 04:01 AM
I mean...

How does wil describe this forum to people?

"I post a bunch of stupid **** and people clown me. The guy who clowns me the most, I put on ignore. I post about how I've defeated all opponents and welcome all discussion. Yes, you heard that correctly."

The bold is fiction, like, anybody can just go back and read batair's posts.

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Originally Posted by wil318466
A lot of things would be funny to some people. I think it speaks much about you that you'd like to see that. But, you are the person who lied about having children to make your point when we discussed this earlier.

It is amazing to me how dirty and scummy and dishonest so many of you are. It really is a shame, and goes to show how deep of a sickness we have in our society.

You prove my point, just as so many others have, so for that I thank you. No one makes you guys look scummier than yourselves. I don't even have to put in the work.
07-27-2017 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by nomaddd
How come no one from the left can ever answer this:




Every single person deflects, and ignores the question, and it goes right to the heart of the issue. It's either a state of mind, or it's not.
aaha trifecta

i already made a preemptive strike that addressed this, you ducked
07-27-2017 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
mother of god i thought you were exaggerating

About what?
07-27-2017 , 04:55 AM
I really don't get what Bryce sees in wil's posts.

07-27-2017 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
You may think of it what you wish, but it is the truth. It is of no surprise you threatened to report my post. That's what you people do, you wish to censor and silence people who challenge your views.

A human born with a penis is a man. He has a man's body and has a man's reproductive system. Even if he had surgery he could not have a baby, or change his entire biology so that it would be impossible to tell if he was born a man.

There is nothing bigoted or hateful about that sentiment, it is simply truth. For us to not be able to come to some sort of agreement on something this trivially easy is a serious problem in our society. If this doesn't alarm people into wondering what they are teaching in our universities, I don't think anything will.

Let me know how reporting my posts goes. I'll be eager to see the result in the morning.

I'm not going to comment further on your absolutely insane, nonsensical, uneducated comments on higher education.

Look, I'll help you out. These are photos of transgender women who are models.








They were BIOLOGICALLY born as males, but they are TRANSGENDER females. To deny the second part of this statement is to be a ****ing bigot, because you are intolerant of transgender people, particularly females. It's that simple, and garbage like that has no place in civilized discussion, just like garbage such as racism, sexism, homophobia has no place in civilized discussion.
07-27-2017 , 05:56 AM
EVERYONE. re Transgender

I've given one timeout, it could be more (it may become more). From now on we are not discussing the existence of Transgender people - that is a given. The discussion will now be restricted to policies and issues surrounding and effecting Transgender people.

Your cooperation is appreciated.

chez
07-27-2017 , 06:07 AM
Thank you.
07-27-2017 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Thank you.
What are you thanking Chez for? You've proven my point. You can't win an argument unless you have my position silenced or forced through threat. You literally need to cheat to even have a discussion. You've proven every single thing I've said. This is how leftists argue - they must be able to erase a fundamental part of the opposition's argument in order to have any ground to stand on.

I wasn't banned, my posts weren't deleted, and you haven't changed my (and many people reading this) mind. What victory are you celebrating here?

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Originally Posted by chezlaw
From now on we are not discussing the existence of Transgender people - that is a given. The discussion will now be restricted to policies and issues surrounding and effecting Transgender people.

Your cooperation is appreciated.

chez
I would like clarification here. What, exactly, are you saying can't be said? Are you saying someone can't say a transgender is a male or a female (opposite of what they identify with)? So, we can't discuss chromosomes or genetic makeup differences between men and women?

This is kind of important (well, not really in the big scheme of things, but in terms of this topic). Please be specific here, Chez, because I think you are stepping into the realm of altering the nature of discussion if you are forcing people to accept a claim under threat of force.

To be clear, I'm not angry with you personally. I understand why you are doing what you're doing. I am deeply concerned, however, of what road you may be going down demanding that people agree on something that is controversial, and in a huge minority as far as opinion goes.

If you are simply saying that people must recognize Trans people exist, well, of course. If you are saying a trans male to female must be called a female or face a ban, then I take issue with that.

I would hope you would discuss this with other moderators before you respond.
07-27-2017 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
He's moving it in the right direction.

The leftists in this thread sound like crazy whackjobs. "Like, why can't you just be polite and call a man a woman? What's the big deal?"

Holy mother of God. We are doomed with you morons.
You whine in spiteful hatred, moaning about doom. Haha.
07-27-2017 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
You whine in spiteful hatred, moaning about doom. Haha.
I pray that you're right and I'm comically, ridiculously wrong. I really do.
07-27-2017 , 08:31 AM
Wil vehemently denies Kevin Bacon was in Footloose for hundreds of posts. When he gets told to stop, he shouts unfair censorship!
07-27-2017 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Wil vehemently denies Kevin Bacon was in Footloose for hundreds of posts. When he gets told to stop, he shouts unfair censorship!
In the end silencing me means nothing. 2+2 is such a small portion of our society that it means nothing. You could lifetime ban me and it would make no dent other than the 30 people who continue to argue here, half of them who would stop posting in this forum the second I'm gone.

There is much more at stake than that. If you aren't smart enough to understand that, then the issue is with you.

I like hearing other opinions, as much as I disagree with them. I want my views challenged and I want to have to defend them. Your side wants none of that, and that's the most dangerous thing in the world.
07-27-2017 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I pray that you're right and I'm comically, ridiculously wrong. I really do.
It's ridiculously miserable and ridiculously stupid to doom us all by the holy mother of God after mocking transgender people. You look both mistaken and part of the problem.
07-27-2017 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
OK, so you had your chance to take your pick on issues, you balked.


Mining companies have been known to dump toxic waste into streams and rivers, which very often run into larger bodies of water, which are often used as sources of drinking water.

Under the Obama administration, the office of surface mining put into place a regulation intending to protect streams and rivers from the dumping of toxic mining waste. That looks like this:




How was this regulation taking in America in the wrong direction?

One of the Executive Orders Trump has signed during his administration was to remove that rule. How is this taking America in the right direction?



http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...al-mining-rule
Hey, remember that time Obama's EPA dumped 3 Million tons of sludge into the Colorado River?

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...ado-mine-spill





Or the 48 Million pounds of garbage from the DAPL protests:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-48-million-p/

No? Let me remind you.
07-27-2017 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I want my views challenged and I want to have to defend them.

Great! Then you should be happy to answer these questions you ignored.


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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
OK, so you had your chance to take your pick on issues, you balked.


Mining companies have been known to dump toxic waste into streams and rivers, which very often run into larger bodies of water, which are often used as sources of drinking water.

Under the Obama administration, the office of surface mining put into place a regulation intending to protect streams and rivers from the dumping of toxic mining waste. That looks like this:




How was this regulation taking in America in the wrong direction?

One of the Executive Orders Trump has signed during his administration was to remove that rule. How is this taking America in the right direction?



http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...al-mining-rule

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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
If the chances of being sexually assaulted in a bathroom are so minuscule, why infringe on the civil rights of the most marginalized group of people in society?

How is the issue of hermaphroditism ridiculous?



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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Question for all proponents of transgender bathroom laws. Say legislation is passed, either Federally or State level, and it prohibits people from using the restroom of their natal gender.

How do you enforce this?
07-27-2017 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Hey, remember that time Obama's EPA dumped 3 Million tons of sludge into the Colorado River?

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...ado-mine-spill





Or the 48 Million pounds of garbage from the DAPL protests:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-48-million-p/


No? Let me remind you.


Yeah Obama literally ordered the EPA to pollute the river huh?


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The city of Durango and La Plata County, Colorado, have declared a state of emergency after a federal cleanup crew accidentally released mine waste into the water.
...

According to the EPA, the spill occurred when one of its teams was using heavy equipment to enter the Gold King Mine, a suspended mine near Durango. Instead of entering the mine and beginning the process of pumping and treating the contaminated water inside as planned, the team accidentally caused it to flow into the nearby Animas River. Before the spill, water carrying "metals pollution" was flowing into a holding area outside the mine.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/09/us/col...ill/index.html


This was not intentional, which is what you're inferring. This was a massive **** up when trying to clean up waste. This is not the same as mining companies intentionally dumping waste into rivers and streams. Do you understand that? Do you acknowledge that?




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Garbage haul at Dakota Access camps revised downward to 21 million pounds

North Dakota’s estimate of 48 million pounds from February based on math error
...

A lot of garbage was hauled out of the Dakota Access protest camps, just not as much as previously indicated.

The North Dakota Department of Emergency Services said last week that 21.48 million pounds of trash, debris and waste was ultimately removed from the three protest camps built on federal land — Oceti Sakowin, Rosebud and Sacred Stone — based on figures from Morton County Emergency Management.

“It appears a decimal point was omitted,” said Cecily Fong, spokeswoman for the North Dakota Department of Emergency Services.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...evised-downwa/



I'm sure the police didn't leave any trash or waste with all the tear gas and rubber bullets they fired, huh?

The question was how did the Obama era regulation intending to protect streams and rivers from mining waste take America in the wrong direction, and how did Trump reversing that regulation take America in the right direction? I'm not sure how you got to the topic of the North Dakota access pipeline.
07-27-2017 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Great! Then you should be happy to answer these questions you ignored.
1) If that were a mine for solar panel parts or lithium batteries, would you feel differently? (The answer is of course, there are trade-offs for everything). My opponents hate clean environments is ridiculous. Might as well say you hate using hospitals.

2) Rand estimates the military is composed of between 0.1% - 0.5% transgender people. The Williams institute suggests 0.3% transgender for the entire United States - http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.ed...d-transgender/. What percent would you estimate are hermaphrodite and what other policies in the United States should we implement based on the behaviors 0.3%? Be careful what you wish for here...

3) I believe microbet already answered this - call it like you see it. Why is enforcement such a problem for you. How ever would they have asked that man to leave the woman's locker room in Seattle (If you're going to keep bringing up hermaphrodites, I'm going to keep bringing up Seattle - the choice is yours).
07-27-2017 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
This was not intentional, which is what you're inferring. This was a massive **** up when trying to clean up waste. This is not the same as mining companies intentionally dumping waste into rivers and streams. Do you understand that? Do you acknowledge that?
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Do you acknowledge that the EPAs actions did more harm than good and were purposeful? They were trying to help is the exact same reason we mine anything (even lithium).

You act like the coal mining byproducts are ice cream and rainbows, but the mean ol' CEO turns it into sludge and poison. What is wrong with you?

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I'm sure the police didn't leave any trash or waste with all the tear gas and rubber bullets they fired, huh?
Are you suggesting it was 21.7 SQ KIlLOMTERS of tear gas? LOL!!! Man, I feel like we would have hear about that.

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The question was how did the Obama era regulation intending to protect streams and rivers from mining waste take America in the wrong direction, and how did Trump reversing that regulation take America in the right direction? I'm not sure how you got to the topic of the North Dakota access pipeline.
Your pearl clutching over poor streams and rivers is unpersuasive. How are you even using electricity to post on the internet? Don't you have a tree to go live in?
07-27-2017 , 09:21 AM
AllCows: Trump is removing regulations so that mining corporations can increase profits by dumping toxic waste again.

Jiggy: But look at this fake news blaming Obama for an accident. Once you check this out you will understand that letting mining corporations dump toxic waste again is moving America in the right direction.
07-27-2017 , 09:23 AM
JiggyMac,

Look dude or dudette, talking to you is clearly an abysmal waste of time, so I'm not talking to you any more. Your amazing Socratic method is just clearly too much for me to handle, and I have much better things to do with my time than to waste it on you.

Cheers.

      
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