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07-26-2017 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
When you try to imagine my positions, right on. When I try to imagine your positions, stfu. Got it. Honest debate.
You lost that privilege on our first interaction. Use the couch in whatever room you are in if you have any issues with me.
07-26-2017 , 01:28 PM
Seriously the position is now "health care coverage needs to be cut back to stop opioid deaths?"

Along with "stfu libruls, now it's against the law for TG to pick their bathrooms. Serves you right for complaining. "

FU libruls is their "ideology".
07-26-2017 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
The regime now directly targets Americans with discrimination. Suddenly, like a clanging division bell. Big cliff to follow daddy over...
My god, I'm breaking my rule. Just this once, wookie.

You know the military also discriminates against those with ADHD and sleepwalking too, right? Goddamn bigot that Trump is!!
07-26-2017 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Your imaginary questions are disingenuous. Why would it be enforce any differently than calling it like you see? Just like it used to. Stop living in the hypothetical. Quite clutching your pearls and acting like "We just can't know...."
So its enforced by calling it as you see it...ok..
07-26-2017 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Seriously the position is now "health care coverage needs to be cut back to stop opioid deaths?"

Along with "stfu libruls, now it's against the law for TG to pick their bathrooms. Serves you right for complaining. "

FU libruls is their "ideology".
Holy **** dude, don't you get it? Giving people more access to opiods increased epidemic. I'm not sure if you're aware of how the crisis is spreading, but I assure you have personal experience with this epidemic. I am not at all surprised by the findings here.
07-26-2017 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
My god, I'm breaking my rule. Just this once, wookie.

You know the military also discriminates against those with ADHD and sleepwalking too, right? Goddamn bigot that Trump is!!


Stop targeting transgender people with your implicit amateur internet medical insinuations. You look desperate to cover already known prejudices.
07-26-2017 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Holy **** dude, don't you get it? Giving people more access to opiods increased epidemic. I'm not sure if you're aware of how the crisis is spreading, but I assure you have personal experience with this epidemic. I am not at all surprised by the findings here.
Giving people less access to healthcare kills people not on opiods too, and you have no issue with that. What makes you think i think you care about the other. Just another tool.
07-26-2017 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
So its enforced by calling it as you see it...ok..
Yeah - I'm pretty sure those 'women' linked in that picture wouldn't have any problems. At least they wouldn't have had until the TG activists pushed for the law. There are a lot of TGs who are like - wtf, why did the activists do this? We were fine before. Now some wacko can make a big deal out of it. Most of them want to be normal and this kind of **** really hurts them.

The position was always...

TG Activist: "You have to let us in those bathrooms, it's our RIGHT!!"

Normal People: "Um, no we don't."
07-26-2017 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Giving people less access to healthcare kills people not on opiods too and you have no issue with that.
People were not dying on the streets before Obamacare and 2015 was the first drop in life expectancy in the United States in decades.

Get your facts straight - http://www.npr.org/sections/health-s...s-report-finds
07-26-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Holy **** dude, don't you get it? Giving people more access to opiods increased epidemic. I'm not sure if you're aware of how the crisis is spreading, but I assure you have personal experience with this epidemic. I am not at all surprised by the findings here.
I do get it dude. What's your point? I'll tell you what it is.

O-care is killing people! Damn libruls!

Ok bro. Cut health care to save people. What a saint you are. I bet you and all the others trying to help stem the opioid epidemic are all out there working hard to kill O-care.
07-26-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
People were not dying on the streets before Obamacare and 2015 was the first drop in life expectancy in the United States in decades.

Get your facts straight - http://www.npr.org/sections/health-s...s-report-finds
lol.
07-26-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
My god, I'm breaking my rule. Just this once, wookie.

You know the military also discriminates against those with ADHD and sleepwalking too, right? Goddamn bigot that Trump is!!
Don't forget that with flat feet but I hope you understand the difference between that and a transgender. ADHD, sleepwalking etc are conditions that can impact your ability to serve effectively. What about being a transgender impacts your ability to serve? Can you not pull a trigger? Can they not focus any more normal than anyone else? Are they unable to workout? Are their brains not capable of learning?

What exactly are you saying you dumb ****ing truck?
07-26-2017 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
Don't forget that with flat feet but I hope you understand the difference between that and a transgender. ADHD, sleepwalking etc are conditions that can impact your ability to serve effectively. What about being a transgender impacts your ability to serve? Can you not pull a trigger? Can they not focus any more normal than anyone else? Are they unable to workout? Are their brains not capable of learning?

What exactly are you saying you dumb ****ing truck?
They're the ones saying their brains are different. Why do you not take them at their word?
07-26-2017 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
They're the ones saying their brains are different. Why do you not take them at their word?
I'm asking you direct questions please answer before we continue ****rag. You really are scum.
07-26-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
I'm asking you direct questions please answer before we continue ****rag. You really are scum.
Your questions are absurd and irrelevant because you do not apply them to the other conditions which would disqualify one from service. Consistency though, not one of your strong suits.

I ask again - are their brains different? TGs say that they are.
07-26-2017 , 01:49 PM
JiggyMinder all about minding transgender people's brains. Round and round the prejudice we go...
07-26-2017 , 02:49 PM
Further clarification on the TG/Military issue:

07-26-2017 , 03:13 PM
It's far beyond parody at this point.

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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
Don't forget that with flat feet but I hope you understand the difference between that and a transgender. ADHD, sleepwalking etc are conditions that can impact your ability to serve effectively. What about being a transgender impacts your ability to serve? Can you not pull a trigger? Can they not focus any more normal than anyone else? Are they unable to workout? Are their brains not capable of learning?

What exactly are you saying you dumb ****ing truck?
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
They're the ones saying their brains are different. Why do you not take them at their word?
07-26-2017 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Why is Jiggy acting this way in particular?
He's not good at chess so he ****s on the board and claims victory.
07-26-2017 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Your questions are absurd and irrelevant because you do not apply them to the other conditions which would disqualify one from service. Consistency though, not one of your strong suits.

I ask again - are their brains different? TGs say that they are.
If we concluded that the only difference was in fact that they are transgendered, would you be fine with them serving?
07-26-2017 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Thought about starting a new thread, but I don't think it will persuade anyone.

However, good statistical analysis of:

Some Stronger Evidence that the Affordable Care Act made the Opiod Crisis Worse:

https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/20...opioid-crisis/

...

It demonstrates increased Opiod Deaths to states that Expanded Medicaid.

If you increase access to narcotics, populations may take advantage of that increased access.


The data seems sound and the comments try to find other causations. He even has data showing that deaths were relatively even prior to ACA passage and then spikes developed in the expansion states. I'm sure Well Named might have some insight here - however, there are some replies in the comments section to alternative hypotheses.
looool


I have extremely limited knowledge on the opiod abuse increase, but the first thing I would look at is who's making money from it. The notion that health coverage caused it sounds preposterous. Leave it to JiggyMac to gobble it up.

Last edited by Max Cut; 07-26-2017 at 03:42 PM.
07-26-2017 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
If we concluded that the only difference was in fact that they are transgendered, would you be fine with them serving?
If there were absolutely ZERO difference, of course. But you're always going to have the wrong chromosomes, so that's where we start.

If we concluded that in fact transgenderism gave someone a statistically significant likelihood to have or develop service limiting issues, would you concur with a ban?

Are you in favor of single PT standards, without exception, for military personnel?

Should transitioning be a part of "basic care"?

(People are currently citing Viagra costs ($44M) vs. Trans costs ($8M), but I don't believe the per individual costs are quite apples to apples. I also believe the combat effects are probably different (not that I want soldiers hopped up either on Viagra or external hormones - but I am not a doctor). I don't know why we're paying so much for Viagra either (although if a soldier suffered erectile issues due to combat, I can understand this being a part of VA benefits).)

How much sensitivity training should a force that is designed to "kill things and break stuff" have to endure in the name of inclusiveness?

Unlike Chelsea Manning, I don't agree that military service is social experiment. How do you feel about this:

07-26-2017 , 04:08 PM
The people who are minded under prejudiced conservative suspicion are already there and have been there.

Can the JiggyMacs of the world stop themselves from doing these inquisitions? is a more curious question than do transgender people have the ability to succeed at military service.
07-26-2017 , 04:31 PM
There's no such thing as 'transgender' unless you buy into the concept that gender is socially constructed.
07-26-2017 , 04:44 PM
Ah, TS was fond of that game.

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If we concluded that in fact transgenderism gave someone a statistically significant likelihood to have or develop service limiting issues, would you concur with a ban?
what if guys?!



WHAT IF!?!?

      
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