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07-26-2017 , 10:43 AM

#11101

AllCowsEatGrass

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You still haven't explained how they will be enforced. Is there even any way at all aside from having a genital checker cop?

07-26-2017 , 10:44 AM

#11102

JiggyMac

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

You still haven't explained how they will be enforced. Is there even any way at all aside from having a genital checker cop?

How ever do we enforce speeding without have GPS trackers on every single car?

07-26-2017 , 10:47 AM

#11103

wil318466

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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

If the chances of being sexually assaulted in a bathroom are so minuscule, why infringe on the civil rights of the most marginalized group of people in society?

How is the issue of hermaphroditism ridiculous?

If you don't allow men to use public restrooms then you're going to have a lot of guys pissing and ****ting all over the streets. What do you expect people to do? First you want to infringe on the rights of transgender Americans, and now you want to ban all MEN from using public restrooms?

Take a chill pill homie.

I am chill, I'm not mad at you. I'm simply saying it really is frustrating when people bring up these false arguments. The chances of being sexually assaulted in a bathroom are miniscule for everyone! That doesn't mean we don't take steps to ensure we segregate the bathrooms - because that's how we chose to segregate them.

These arguments about what the Romans did or people just wanting to take a dump simply don't hold water. We separate the bathrooms by one criteria, and one criteria only.

These side arguments just don't dictate how we live our lives.

07-26-2017 , 10:49 AM

#11104

Max Cut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Doubt it. Unless activists start trying to make a point.

By activist you mean the bro dude "protecting children" that happens to ID a TG.

07-26-2017 , 10:50 AM

#11105

batair

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Doubt it. Unless activists start trying to make a point.

A man is a man is a man!! Were going to need blood samples and birth certificates before you can enter!

07-26-2017 , 10:54 AM

#11106

Max Cut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

How ever do we enforce speeding without have GPS trackers on every single car?

We're going to get penis radar?

07-26-2017 , 10:57 AM

#11107

spanktehbadwookie

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Conservatives are stuck imagining all that other people's genitalia for the rest of history.

07-26-2017 , 10:58 AM

#11108

Iron Tamer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

These bolded things, very important things, this bigly stuff, these are civil liberties. Civil rights is like you cannot open a restaurant and only serve white folk.

The way my excellent Political Science professor put it was civil liberties protect you from the Government, civil rights protect you from everyone else.

Question? Was the 1964 Civil Rights act a hatchet swing at a foundation of society?

If you want to use these modern definitions, your political science professor explained it wrong if he made that distinction, civil rights are also things that protect you from the government. Equality before the law and all that.

the 64 cr act was not a hatchet swing, you ain't redefining ageless classifications but instead put through 1 piece of legislation to hamfistedly right the wrongs of another piece of legislation.

07-26-2017 , 10:59 AM

#11109

batair

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

We're going to get penis radar?

The small government people are ok with putting guards outside of all bathrooms to check papers.

07-26-2017 , 11:00 AM

#11110

Abbaddabba

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

How ever do we enforce speeding without have GPS trackers on every single car?

With a device that determines whether the law is being broken without being obtrusive.

If you want bathroom rights to be linked to legal status that's something that can be implemented, but is that going to satisfy people who don't acknowledge the legitimacy of the sex change operation? These are the people who're the pissiest about the issue.

Quote:

The small government people are ok with putting guards outside of all bathrooms to check papers.

The free market would solve this on it's own by consumers choosing gas station that integrate these costs into the price of gas, and in turn creating jobs for all the peen guards we'll be needing.

Last edited by Abbaddabba; 07-26-2017 at 11:06 AM.

07-26-2017 , 11:00 AM

#11111

AllCowsEatGrass

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

How ever do we enforce speeding without have GPS trackers on every single car?

You seem to be having trouble with logic. How logic works is I ask you a question, and you answer it directly, not respond by asking me an unrelated question. Do you understand?

So now, how would these laws be enforced without having genital checks?

07-26-2017 , 11:18 AM

#11112

Max Cut

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*moves in close and dangles TG laws in front of trumpkins while slipping healthcare out of their back pocket*

07-26-2017 , 11:20 AM

#11113

JiggyMac

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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

So you're unaware of the socratic method and analogies. Good to know.

07-26-2017 , 11:21 AM

#11114

JiggyMac

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Originally Posted by batair

The small government people are ok with putting guards outside of all bathrooms to check papers.

Exactly what we want. Excellent argument. No distraction. Good on ya.

07-26-2017 , 11:26 AM

#11115

SweetTooth

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President stump

07-26-2017 , 11:27 AM

#11116

AllCowsEatGrass

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wil318466

I was trolling you with my comment on banning all men from public restrooms.

Here's a good bit of history on gender segregated bathrooms. It's short and worth a read. Some excerpts:

Quote:

he first regulation requiring separate toilet facilities for men and women was passed in 1887, when Massachusetts required the establishment of separate privies in businesses. “Wherever male and female persons are employed in the same factory or workshop, a significant number of separate and distinct water-closets, earth-closets, or privies shall be provided for the use of each sex and should be plainly designated,” the law reads. In the next line, mixed use of such facilities is prohibited. Over the course of the next three decades, nearly every state passed its own version of that law.

But the rules that govern who pees where in public spaces were not created simply because of physical differences between men and women that affect how bathrooms are used. “One might think that it makes perfect sense, that bathrooms are separated by sex because there are basic biological differences,” says Terry Kogan, a law professor at the University of Utah. “That’s completely wrong.”

Kogan, who has done extensive research on the history of sex-segregation in public restrooms, tells TIME that the policies came about as a result of social anxieties about women's places in the world.

Social norms of the period dictated that the home was a woman’s place. Even as women entered the workplace, often in the new factories that were being built at the time, there was a reluctance to integrate them fully into public life. Women, policymakers argued, were inherently weaker and still in need of protection from the harsh realities of the public sphere. Thus, separate facilities were introduced in nearly every aspect of society: women’s reading rooms were incorporated into public libraries; separate train cars were established for women, keeping them in the back to protect them in the event of a crash; and, with the advent of indoor bathrooms that were then in the process of replacing single-person outhouses, separate loos soon followed.
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Today, even though society’s views on women have largely shifted, sex-segregated bathrooms remain the custom.

Why? Because major plumbing codes in the U.S. use a public building's capacity to dictate how many restrooms should be built, and those codes specify that men and women’s facilities should be separate. The codes even mandate a minimum number of toilets and urinals per sex. Often, those formulas result in more facilities being made available for men than for women, despite famously long lines for ladies' rooms.

As the debate over bathrooms has shifted, some of the arguments policymakers are using to defend the status quo ring may ring familiar to those familiar with bathrooms' history: the idea that separate facilities will protect women from harm remains. Two North Carolina lawmakers have said that eliminating separate bathrooms would "deny women their right to basic safety and privacy." Research does show that trans people may be at risk in bathroom situations—a 2013 survey by the Williams Institute found that 70% of trans people reported experiencing denial of access, verbal harassment or physical assault in an attempt to use the bathroom—but Kogan says the idea that all women are in increased danger in mixed or gender-neutral bathrooms doesn't make sense, as predators "are not waiting for permission to dress up like a woman to go into bathrooms."

http://time.com/4337761/history-sex-...ted-bathrooms/

07-26-2017 , 11:29 AM

#11117

AllCowsEatGrass

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

So you're unaware of the socratic method and analogies. Good to know.

How can they possibly be enforced without checking people's genitals? Do you think genital checks are good way to enforce them?

Last edited by AllCowsEatGrass; 07-26-2017 at 11:31 AM. Reason: And Socrates said: "Nevermind that question. Look, a squirrel!"

07-26-2017 , 11:30 AM

#11118

JiggyMac

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Let me ask the reverse - if gender is fluid, how do you legally remove anyone from a woman's locker room?

07-26-2017 , 11:30 AM

#11119

JiggyMac

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

How can they possibly be enforced without checking people's genitals? Do you think genital checks are good way to enforce them?

Is anyone proposing genital checks?

07-26-2017 , 11:34 AM

#11120

Max Cut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Is anyone proposing genital checks?

Is anyone answering the ****ing question?

07-26-2017 , 11:35 AM

#11121

Max Cut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Let me ask the reverse - if gender is fluid, how do you legally remove anyone from a woman's locker room?

Could you legally remove them for whatever law they break? :lightbulb:

07-26-2017 , 11:39 AM

#11122

nomaddd

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JFC...The left needs to stop talking (pandering) TG's... It's is an easy argument to win. We do not regulate who uses which bathroom. It's not within the governments purview. That's it.

07-26-2017 , 11:43 AM

#11123

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Let me ask the reverse - if gender is fluid, how do you legally remove anyone from a woman's locker room?

A woman comes out of the locker room and says there's a man in there and he won't leave? What do you do? I use my own judgement. If it's a transgender woman minding her own business I tell the woman who complained to chill out. If it's a dude taking upskirt videos I make him leave myself. If I don't think I can do it by myself I ask another citizen for help.

07-26-2017 , 11:44 AM

#11124

JiggyMac

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Originally Posted by microbet

What if he isn't taking upskirt videos and he feels like a she that day?
(I presume upskirts and harassment laws would still be gender neutral in this brave new world, just as they are now.)

Last edited by JiggyMac; 07-26-2017 at 11:58 AM.