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07-24-2017 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
He's a total troll. He spouts his gibberish in an attempt to sound smart. It's pretty obvious he is insecure and thinks this act is elevating his forum status. He hides his lack of knowledge using this style. It's like putting whipped cream on top of poo.


Wow gossipy. I mean....Whew...haughty.
07-24-2017 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
OK, and you're kind of proving my point here, you don't seem to understand any of the Confederate monument controversies. Some people want to take them down(liberals, leftists), others want to keep them up(the right), and when city councils and state legislatures have agreed to take them down there are like, Klan rallies to protect them.
It's definitely not that simple.



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What the **** are you even talking about? For one thing, white flight was like 50 ****ing years ago, whites are moving back INTO the cities now. Gentrification? Any of that ringing a bell? Jesus Christ you really don't know anything. (this is a strong data point for the argument that you aren't American)

For another, yeah, the "we" there is doing a LOT of work. Jesus Christ. "We're not racist, we just moved away from the cities when black people started buying houses there because of how they ruin everything. Also I say 'we' to talk about white people because I don't see minorities as equal citizens. I mean, wait, let me start over"
I have to ask a question here. Do you think it's 'ok' that some people are racist? What is your proposed solution to these peoples racism?
07-24-2017 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
David Brooks....their one Conservative friend. Don't the Leftists call that tokenism?
David Brooks isn't even the only conservative to write for the NYT opinion page.
07-25-2017 , 12:00 AM
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It's definitely not that simple.
OK I'm skeptical here because before my post you literally didn't know what "it" was, but please, elaborate.

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I have to ask a question here. Do you think it's 'ok' that some people are racist? What is your proposed solution to these peoples racism?
No, and basically tell them to be less racist? I don't ****ing know, man, you want me to solve one of the most intractable flaws in the history of human society?

You're awful at this ****. You notice when I telegraph something like the KKK was Dems->you currently defend Confederate monuments **** there's a setup and a conclusion, immediately? But when you try it, what, you think I'm going to say re-education camps or something?
07-25-2017 , 12:18 AM
DoesNot have any solid basis to support accusations of trolling.

Is disrupting trolls? trolling, or meta-trolling , or what? moderating? Hahaha.
07-25-2017 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot
It's definitely not that simple.
No it is.

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United States troops took over the state government and reinstated the usurpers but the national election of November 1876 recognized white supremacy in the South and gave us our state
Battle of Liberty Place Monument

Of course decent people wanted it removed and get pissed at those who defend it.
07-25-2017 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement.
Right... Got that...

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(I love it when I provoke progressives to foam at the mouth---it gives me great pleasure)
Et voila.
07-25-2017 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
The confederate flag is even worse than the nazi flag. Because most Germans who saluted the former did not know of the concentration camps and probably would have opposed them. Almost all who saluted the confederate flag had no problem with slavery.
This is actually not true at all. It's a symbol, and a symbol means different things for different people. Soldiers fought the Nazis with confederate flags displayed on them.

For some it's a symbol of racism and hatred. For others it's a symbol of their Southern heritage and roots, with no ties to racism or hatred.

Watch this clip from Vice:



Personally, I don't like it and I try to view it in terms of the situation, but I definitely don't assume it's automatically racist.
07-25-2017 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
No it is.



Battle of Liberty Place Monument

Of course decent people wanted it removed and get pissed at those who defend it.
How are we going to remember to have white guilt if we remove all the reminders that we need to have white guilt?

I suppose in that context, there are pros to the removal. Now is it ok to stop seeing race? Or not yet?
07-25-2017 , 08:36 AM
Bathroom regulators, FYI.

07-25-2017 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
How are we going to remember to have white guilt if we remove all the reminders that we need to have white guilt?
You invoked "white guilt" so please answer your question and give us context on your use of the words white and guilt.
07-25-2017 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
This is actually not true at all. It's a symbol, and a symbol means different things for different people. Soldiers fought the Nazis with confederate flags displayed on them.

For some it's a symbol of racism and hatred. For others it's a symbol of their Southern heritage and roots, with no ties to racism or hatred.
But historically, it just isn't. Confederate flag is a flag that was used a side in a civil war which supported slavery. And the issue of slavery was the main reason the war started. It was also used to oppose Civil rights movement in 1950's-1960's.

Soldiers fought the Nazis with Soviet flag displayed on them, but it doesn't make it a freedom symbol. Continuing with the Nazi theme, it's like showing up with a Nazi flag in Israel and saying it symbolizes universal health-care and government infrastructure projects.
07-25-2017 , 09:05 AM
Wil,

As someone who lives in the Deep South(blue city however) and spent summers in the Redneck Deep South I can promise you it's not just a little racist, it's super racist. I can also promise you that most people defending the flag would not like you.

However I support their individual right to fly it, but I do not support a city or county's right. Individuals flying it let's jenknowbwhonieva moron in advance.

Also the last 2 pages of this have been fun. White power GOP members saying "show me your papers is a terrible policy" and fly letting them know that it's actually exactly their policy.
07-25-2017 , 09:19 AM
Alabama's conservatives made their monuments across the whole state government-dependent.

It must vex them who realize it, that The Civil Rights Movement will be remembered prominently as Southern Heritage in foreseeable future history while the confederacy will merely remain not forgotten like a mistake to remember avoid repeating.
07-25-2017 , 09:23 AM
Trump grabbed up on loyalty in front of young male scouts yesterday.
07-25-2017 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Imaginary F(r)iend
But historically, it just isn't. Confederate flag is a flag that was used a side in a civil war which supported slavery. And the issue of slavery was the main reason the war started. It was also used to oppose Civil rights movement in 1950's-1960's.
Yes, for some people the Confederate flag denotes racism. For some it doesn't.

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Soldiers fought the Nazis with Soviet flag displayed on them, but it doesn't make it a freedom symbol.
Symbols mean different things to different people. What the Soviet flag means to you and what it means to other people is very different.

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Continuing with the Nazi theme, it's like showing up with a Nazi flag in Israel and saying it symbolizes universal health-care and government infrastructure projects.
I don't agree with this at all. Again, I'm not a fan of the confederate flag, I'm simply saying that associating everyone who displays one as a racist just isn't accurate. Southerners are very proud of their southern heritage, and for many of them that flag is a symbol of that.

Again, personally I dislike it, but I don't think it should be banned.

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Originally Posted by samsonh
Wil,

As someone who lives in the Deep South(blue city however) and spent summers in the Redneck Deep South I can promise you it's not just a little racist, it's super racist. I can also promise you that most people defending the flag would not like you.
Oh, that explains why you sound like a ******. You're a ****ing idiot hillbilly ****kicker.

Last edited by wil318466; 07-25-2017 at 09:31 AM.
07-25-2017 , 09:45 AM
If these people didn't have to invent stupid fairy tales about liberals starting the KKK then they wouldn't get owned by Fly so hard. But Jiggy and Donut believe any conspiracy as long as it makes Democrats look bad.
07-25-2017 , 09:48 AM
Do you ever think Southern's just fly the flag now just because it pisses people off?

You know the best way to not be offended by a symbol - just stop being offended. Offense can only be taken, not given.

The KKK doesn't offend me because they're stupid and I dismiss them.
Same with Leftists who call Trump supporters racist - they're just as stupid and I dimiss them. And since they're both Democrats, it's not very challenging.
07-25-2017 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
If these people didn't have to invent stupid fairy tales about liberals starting the KKK then they wouldn't get owned by Fly so hard. But Jiggy and Donut believe any conspiracy as long as it makes Democrats look bad.
Fairy tales? WTF dude. Learn some history.

Which party freed the slaves? And from whom did they free them from? (And we're going to have to free them again from Leftist oppression.)

Woodrow Wilson - D on screening the KKK film - The Birth of a Nation.




What did they call the 1924 Democratic National Convention? The WhatBake? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1924_D...nal_Convention




Robert Byrd was a.......?

Try a dose of reality sometime.

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07-25-2017 , 10:01 AM




07-25-2017 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Yes, for some people the Confederate flag denotes racism. For some it doesn't.
It gives you something to argue about.
07-25-2017 , 10:17 AM
Jiggy- Wait did somebody put a ****ing paperclip in the factory reset hole in your skull?

You've gone back to claiming the Klan are Democrats even after you and two other Trump supporters went full Lost Cause on how the flag is heritage not hate and individual Confederates shouldn't be painted with a broad brush like "slavery supporter"??!?!


Apparently voting for the Democratic party in 2017 is a more reliable indicator of being racist than being in the Army of Northern Virginia in 1863, wow, that Prager University degree keeps paying off!

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07-25-2017 , 10:19 AM
What do people outside of the South flying the Confederate flag think it represents?
07-25-2017 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Fairy tales? WTF dude. Learn some history.

Which party freed the slaves? And from whom did they free them from? (And we're going to have to free them again from Leftist oppression.)

Woodrow Wilson - D on screening the KKK film - The Birth of a Nation.




What did they call the 1924 Democratic National Convention? The WhatBake? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1924_D...nal_Convention




Robert Byrd was a.......?

Try a dose of reality sometime.
Again with this stupid ****? "Liberal" does not mean "Democrat."

The guy that ran the seminal abolitionist newspaper started The Nation, FFS.

Democratic president Grover Cleveland was known for using violence to bust unions.

Your ignorance is essentially unbounded.
07-25-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Again with this stupid ****? "Liberal" does not mean "Democrat."
Oh, I know Liberal doesn't mean Democrat. There's nothing Liberal about the Democrat Party. Just a bunch of Leftist, authoritarian, collectivist, segregationists at this point.

      
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