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Old 07-24-2017, 01:42 PM   #10751
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San Francisco doesn't pass laws mandating segregation. They believe in freedom and people have moved to wherever they want and could afford. Some people might say there's some unfairness in the distribution of affordable housing, but the segregation is not caused by racist policies - at worst it's caused by the absence of affirmative action.

I mean, this is ****ing obvious. You could note that I don't defend every single thing you might think is ridiculous on the left and I don't lick Hillary's boots the way you do for Trump. I don't claim to be without a point of view, but I'm not doing what you're doing, which is either being completely disingenuous or really stupid.
Ok. Microbet - the article explicitly states they use housing code in order to enforce segregation. They go so far as to cite Chinese property only being advertised in Chinese so that other ethnicities can't find it. Read the article. To be fair though - isn't that what affirmative action pushes for? Equality of outcomes, regardless of methods. As Oliver points out - the South is the most racially integrated part of the country.

I don't defend everything Trump and I told you he wasn't my first pick. However, he's doing a pretty good job. Better than Obama and certainly better than Hillary. You're right amnesty might not be a huge deal - if we reduce border crossings (like we have been and including a wall). Any amnesty deal has to come with border enforcement - which was ALWAYS a Republican position. It's the Democrats that only wanted amnesty with no enforcement. Trump supporters don't need to take Trump literally to take him seriously. He's been effective where it counts.
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:44 PM   #10752
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I really don't understand how your first paragraph is responsive.

As for the second, are you suggesting that if women only could vote for who was allowed to use bathrooms for women, you'd go along? That sounds like a fine idea to me.
You do realize that women voted for the representatives writing the bathroom laws, yes?
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:47 PM   #10753
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You do realize that women voted for the representatives writing the bathroom laws, yes?
That argument implies that representatives act out the will of the people that voted for them, which is false. The GOP healthcare bill has like 17% approval because representatives are acting in ways their voters don't want them to.

edit: or if I were to employ your dumb rhetorical tactics, "I'm glad you admit that Obamacare was the will of the people"
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:49 PM   #10754
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I can't help that some Republicans took the bait and ceded a narrative to the Left.

Do you think Michael Steele is a racist for being a Republican?
Wait, now we're back to the Southern Strategy being a myth?
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:49 PM   #10755
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That argument implies that representatives act out the will of the people that voted for them, which is false. The GOP healthcare bill has like 17% approval because representatives are acting in ways their voters don't want them to.
I'm sorry you don't like that we don't have a direct democracy, but that's just the way our Republic works. You should take a civics class sometime.
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:49 PM   #10756
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I can't help that some Republicans took the bait and ceded a narrative to the Left.
"Some Republicans"? These guys were the chairs of the RNC speaking for the RNC. You are delusional.
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:50 PM   #10757
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That argument implies that representatives act out the will of the people that voted for them, which is false. The GOP healthcare bill has like 17% approval because representatives are acting in ways their voters don't want them to.

edit: or if I were to employ your dumb rhetorical tactics, "I'm glad you admit that Obamacare was the will of the people"
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I'm sorry you don't like that we don't have a direct democracy, but that's just the our Republic works. You should takes a civics class sometime.
See, he wasn't serious about being OK with whatever women want in regards to TG toilet use.
 
Old 07-24-2017, 01:53 PM   #10758
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"Some Republicans"? These guys were the chairs of the RNC speaking for the RNC. You are delusional.
Look at a Republican not agreeing with other Republicans. Weird in your world, I know.
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:53 PM   #10759
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Ok. Microbet - the article explicitly states they use housing code in order to enforce segregation. They go so far as to cite Chinese property only being advertised in Chinese so that other ethnicities can't find it. Read the article. To be fair though - isn't that what affirmative action pushes for? Equality of outcomes, regardless of methods. As Oliver points out - the South is the most racially integrated part of the country.

I don't defend everything Trump and I told you he wasn't my first pick. However, he's doing a pretty good job. Better than Obama and certainly better than Hillary. You're right amnesty might not be a huge deal - if we reduce border crossings (like we have been and including a wall). Any amnesty deal has to come with border enforcement - which was ALWAYS a Republican position. It's the Democrats that only wanted amnesty with no enforcement. Trump supporters don't need to take Trump literally to take him seriously. He's been effective where it counts.
Didn't read the article and I don't have time. For our purposes here I'll take your word for it and just state that I oppose laws which restrict property ownership by race period.

The wall is a perfect example of appearance over function. During the campaign the border patrol union came out and said that the wall is unnecessary and in places would hinder them. They still supported Trump though. Why? Because it's all about talk and appearances. I understand that they want someone to boldly just say "I'M ON YOUR SIDE", but it's not about policy.

As far as immigration in general goes, I fundamentally disagree with you on it I suspect and I expect your reasons are largely BS. Immigration is good for our economy and immigrants commit fewer crimes on average. I expect you'll offer some BS about those things not being true.

As far as matters of pure opinion go, I think it's good for the US in other ways like culturally and I think it's fair in that the US has largely created a lot of the conditions in Mexico and Central America which are driving people out. I'm not 100% for open borders necessarily, but pretty close. I think it should be very easy to immigrate unless there is a very compelling reason not to allow it and I don't think there's anything close to that. I don't see anything other than to agree to disagree on most of that, but I will say that I think the opposition is racist and that there wouldn't be any such opposition to the same influx of white European Christians.
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:54 PM   #10760
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I'm sorry you don't like that we don't have a direct democracy, but that's just the way our Republic works. You should take a civics class sometime.
Huh? You suggested direct democracy and our representative government are equivalent in your response to microbet, which is dumb and wrong.
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:58 PM   #10761
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You do realize that women voted for the representatives writing the bathroom laws, yes?
Yeah, that's non responsive. We weren't talking about representatives. We were talking about the issue. You said you'd support women if they wanted to allow trans in their bathrooms. I know you may not get the opportunity to vote on just that issue, but if you ever do and women are polled, I assume you'll vote to open women's bathrooms to transgender if that's what they want.
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:02 PM   #10762
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Let me slip in a High Content post here.
The apt analogy is you saying you don't believe schizophrenics, that they're 'pretending' or 'faking it' or what have you.
No. Do you see why? It has something to do with awareness.
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:02 PM   #10763
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Didn't read the article and I don't have time. For our purposes here I'll take your word for it and just state that I oppose laws which restrict property ownership by race period.

The wall is a perfect example of appearance over function. During the campaign the border patrol union came out and said that the wall is unnecessary and in places would hinder them. They still supported Trump though. Why? Because it's all about talk and appearances. I understand that they want someone to boldly just say "I'M ON YOUR SIDE", but it's not about policy.

As far as immigration in general goes, I fundamentally disagree with you on it I suspect and I expect your reasons are largely BS. Immigration is good for our economy and immigrants commit fewer crimes on average. I expect you'll offer some BS about those things not being true.

As far as matters of pure opinion go, I think it's good for the US in other ways like culturally and I think it's fair in that the US has largely created a lot of the conditions in Mexico and Central America which are driving people out. I'm not 100% for open borders necessarily, but pretty close. I think it should be very easy to immigrate unless there is a very compelling reason not to allow it and I don't think there's anything close to that. I don't see anything other than to agree to disagree on most of that, but I will say that I think the opposition is racist and that there wouldn't be any such opposition to the same influx of white European Christians.

I think you're a little misguided here.

I think Ann Coulter said it best - "We should recruit immigrants like the Patriots recruit football players". The best and brightest should be enticed to come here and stay. When I was getting my MBA, half the class was Chinese and the other half were Indians (obviously there was a minority contingent of other races, but the majority were from those countries). I wish this country would do more to allow them to stay instead of sending them back (although I don't like H1-B visa abuse and yes I know Trump plays the game, just like EVERY big business out there).

If Canadians were entering our country illegally and at the same rates as those south of the border, we'd have the SAME EXACT PROBLEM! The only reason the Left cries racism is because they like pointing at brown people. And I'm not buying your white guilt "but we caused this" bull****. Just a non-starter there.

Open borders is absolutely decimating the landscape of Europe and was one of the primary drivers of Brexit.

To be fair, Conservatives also want to protect illegal immigrants from being exploited by businesses as well. Leftists don't seem to care much about that.
Come here legally, enter the system as appropriate, earn your right to legal wages, and pay your taxes. We have a process - follow it. And listen, don't give me that **** that illegals pay taxes - the evidence is not on your side.
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:04 PM   #10764
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What kinds of bathrooms are you guys using where people are molesting kids and giving each other blowjobs? Maybe you should stay away from Red Lobster if that's what that scene is like.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bath...hrome&ie=UTF-8
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:04 PM   #10765
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Yeah, that's non responsive. We weren't talking about representatives. We were talking about the issue. You said you'd support women if they wanted to allow trans in their bathrooms. I know you may not get the opportunity to vote on just that issue, but if you ever do and women are polled, I assume you'll vote to open women's bathrooms to transgender if that's what they want.
If women unite on the single issue of transgender bathrooms and elect representatives to enact such a will, I won't stop them.

Now, remind me again where gay marriage was legalized by representatives or ballot initiatives?
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:05 PM   #10766
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The only reason the Left cries racism is because they like pointing at brown people.
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And I'm not buying your white guilt "but we caused this" bull****. Just a non-starter there.
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To be fair, Conservatives also want to protect illegal immigrants from being exploited by businesses as well.
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Leftists don't seem to care much about that.
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And listen, don't give me that **** that illegals pay taxes - the evidence is not on your side.
I broke out all the individual unsourced claims in this post
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:05 PM   #10767
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Seriously in their emotional zeal to melt down here and loudly proclaim their willingness to commit hate crimes I'm starting to wonder where the **** these people go to the bathroom.

A public bathroom is the sort of high traffic area where stranger rape doesn't strike me as easy to get away with, but if the rapist wants to do it anyway, you can go into the women's bathroom dressed as a man. There's not a ****ing bouncer checking dress codes.

And since it's panicky fears of child molestation specifically, isn't same sex child molestation a concern? It's not like there's evidence that trans people are more likely to be child molesters. And the vast majority of child molestation isn't a stranger grabbing a kid for a quickie in Target, it's neighbors and family members and ****.

It's just complete nonsense, just raw seething resentment over losing the culture war and seeing an opportunity to bully a demographic that already gets a raw deal.

No, calling a man, a man is not a hate crime....you really should yell at the person who taught you this because it's ****ing stupid.
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:06 PM   #10768
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That argument implies that representatives act out the will of the people that voted for them, which is false. The GOP healthcare bill has like 17% approval because representatives are acting in ways their voters don't want them to.

edit: or if I were to employ your dumb rhetorical tactics, "I'm glad you admit that Obamacare was the will of the people"
In a way it was. I mean, Al Franken had to cheat to get his seat and they had to pass it in the dead of night. But then they ****ed up and couldn't hold onto enough seats in Congress to fix the stupid **** piece of legislation and Obama lost of 1,000 Democrat government seats in 8 years....but yeah, will of the people I guess.
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MinderMac implies he can tell when other's are misguided. LMAO!
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:09 PM   #10770
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No, calling a man, a man is not a hate crime....you really should yell at the person who taught you this because it's ****ing stupid.
You can't even see the penis you imagine may or may not be there.
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:09 PM   #10771
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I broke out all the individual unsourced claims in this post
Are you capable of communicating with people without having the internet nearby? You must be a lot of fun to talk to.
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:12 PM   #10772
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Are you capable of communicating with people without having the internet nearby? You must be a lot of fun to talk to.
When it comes to leveling blanket assertions about a huge portion of the country I don't just bring my feelings to a facts fight, I make sure I know what I'm talking about first. Clearly you don't have the same level of restraint.
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:17 PM   #10773
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When it comes to leveling blanket assertions about a huge portion of the country I don't just bring my feelings to a facts fight, I make sure I know what I'm talking about first. Clearly you don't have the same level of restraint.
Or that I'm already familiar with the positions of both sides and have drawn my own conclusions. Hence the shorthand. But if you want to go read up on it - well, you've already pulled out the phrases. Google is your friend.
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Are you capable of communicating with people without having the internet nearby? You must be a lot of fun to talk to.
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The only reason the Left cries racism is because they like pointing at brown people.

Wrong.

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And I'm not buying your white guilt "but we caused this" bull****. Just a non-starter there.

Wrong.

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Open borders is absolutely decimating the landscape of Europe

Wrong.

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To be fair, Conservatives also want to protect illegal immigrants from being exploited by businesses
as well.

Wrong.

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Leftists don't seem to care much about that.

Wrong.

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And listen, don't give me that **** that illegals pay taxes - the evidence is not on your side.

Wrong.



Yeah, great conversation.
 
Old 07-24-2017, 02:27 PM   #10775
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To be fair, Conservatives also want to protect illegal immigrants from being exploited by businesses as well. Leftists don't seem to care much about that.
Labor law
Minimum wage
OSHA
Overtime laws
Unemployment, health, Social security benefits

These are all policies the right opposes. If you actually had really strong support for American labor you might make it so American citizens would do things like farm labor and that might keep down immigration more than any wall.
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