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One of the ongoing hilarious things about right wing 'thinkers' is that they are so used to hearing that like, Nancy Pelosi is a communist, that they have absolutely no idea what intra-left divisions could even look like much less what intraleft divisions actually exist. Again, even after people have talked about Animal Farm, which is literally a story time for children explanation of a prominent historical dispute between different factions of leftists.

DoOrDoNot is rightsplaining the Spanish Civil War to George Orwell here. LOL he's a reader!

07-23-2017 , 01:43 PM

#10302

nomaddd

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

My question to Jiggy is open to you, and even after somebody tapped the tank we both know your unlettered ass can't even ****ing name his other works, much less read them.

He absolutely was not a democratic socialist. Democratic socialists are like Corbyn or Bernie Sanders. Orwell was a Trotskyist, something that you could've even picked up from Animal Farm since Trotsky is the ****ing good guy in that book.

um....

Quote:

Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it. - George Orwell

07-23-2017 , 01:46 PM

#10303

BitchiBee

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corbyn is clearly a trotsykist that keeps his mouth shut about it in public

stop trying to commiesplain to rational people

07-23-2017 , 01:50 PM

#10304

spanktehbadwookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BitchiBee

corbyn is clearly a trotsykist that keeps his mouth shut about it in public

stop trying to commiesplain to *rational people

*Alt-rational

07-23-2017 , 02:01 PM

#10305

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nomaddd

TG: I'm now a female.

Me: Sir, how can I help you.

TG: please do not refer to me as a man.

Me: but you are a man...

SJW: why do you care about that persons genitalia.....

Me: ....

More like.

TG: going to the bathroom...

Random genital inspector: Hey what are you doing you are a man.

TG: Im a women.

Random genital inspector: No you are a man. Well let me check, are you post or pre op.

TG:....For ****s sake i got to go and there are stalls and no one is going around naked in there and you can listen to everyone peeing form the outside so there wont be any raping.

Random genital inspector: Nope you are going to have to pee where i tell you because i dont know that incidences of bad situations from this are minuscule.

TG: ffs...

Or.

Same sex couple: Can we get some cake.

Good Christian grandma: No you are sinners we dont want to endorse your sinning.

Same sex couple: Do you sell to people who were divorced for reasons other than adultery? Isn't everyone a sinner?

Good Christian grandma: Look we have the right to refuse anyone you will just have to find a separate but equal cake counter.

Same sex couple: Yeah...

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07-23-2017 , 02:03 PM

#10306

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

Orwell was like, straight up a communist, you get that, right?

No. He wasn't.

07-23-2017 , 02:04 PM

#10307

DoOrDoNot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nomaddd

um....

And no other response is needed.

Intra-left divisions are pretty easily explained. There are the flower children, the Bernie Sanders supporters and the Stalinist-Berias. When they are weak, they work together (because the Stalinist-Berias know they need to). When they get strong enough, the flower children and Bernie Sanders supporters get taken out into the alley and given an education on what socialism really is with a bullet to the back of their credulous little heads.

07-23-2017 , 02:07 PM

#10308

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

Actually, he wasn't. He was opposed to tyranny and believed in democratic socialism. Something he didn't elucidate in his books though, and probably didn't even know, was that all socialism is tyranny.

He was a great deal smarter and less bigoted than you, so he held no such view.

07-23-2017 , 02:11 PM

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57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

Orwell happily fought (he didn't really fight, he more read than anything) alongside them until the Stalinist branch started arresting the bernie Sanders supporters.

He most certainly did fight. And you wouldn't like that, on account of you being a Fascist. You would be on board with the Condor Legion, and all that type stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condor_Legion

07-23-2017 , 02:13 PM

#10310

DoOrDoNot

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

He was a great deal smarter and less bigoted than you, so he held no such view.

Sorry, he didn't hold which view?

1. Opposed tyranny
2. Democratic Socialist

07-23-2017 , 02:13 PM

#10311

DoOrDoNot

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

He most certainly did fight. And you wouldn't like that, on account of you being a Fascist.

He barely fought.

Sorry, not a fascist.

07-23-2017 , 02:17 PM

#10312

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BitchiBee

corbyn is clearly a trotsykist that keeps his mouth shut about it in public

Actually, Corbyn, McDonnell, Milne and their clique are Stalinists. But you're correct that they don't advertise it all that much. (Though Milne has notoriously written articles excusing Stalin's crimes.)

07-23-2017 , 02:19 PM

#10313

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

Sorry, he didn't hold which view?

1. Opposed tyranny
2. Democratic Socialist

You're a disingenuous Fascist, so there's no point replying to your attempts at derp.

07-23-2017 , 02:20 PM

#10314

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

He barely fought.

Sorry, not a fascist.

You're a disingenuous Fascist, so there's no point replying to your attempts at derp.

07-23-2017 , 02:22 PM

#10315

DoOrDoNot

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

You're a disingenuous Fascist, so there's no point replying to your attempts at derp.

So you didn't read the post, are holding onto your line that I claimed he believed something that I said explicitly in the post he didn't, and now I'm disingenuous.

Riiiiiiggggghhhhhttt.

07-23-2017 , 02:24 PM

#10316

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

Pretty sure this is your hyper-nationalism/fascism showing.

(57 gets this I imagine, but anyway...hint: It has a lot more to do with Ireland than Stalin.)

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07-23-2017 , 02:35 PM

#10317

jalfrezi

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lol wtf

07-23-2017 , 02:37 PM

#10318

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You know what really stuck in Orwell's craw? The English Empire. Even in 1984, the story here supposedly just about socialism or totalitarianism or whatever, there was a big swath of the world including especially India where everyone was basically enslaved by whichever of the world powers occupied it at the moment.

07-23-2017 , 02:38 PM

#10319

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Pretty sure this is your hyper-nationalism/fascism showing.

(57 gets this I imagine, but anyway...hint: It has a lot more to do with Ireland than Stalin.)

No.

https://shirazsocialist.wordpress.co...sing-millions/

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...e-seumas-milne

07-23-2017 , 02:40 PM

#10320

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

lol wtf

Really not sure what you're wtf'ing. I hope it's that Corbyn (who 57 reviles because of his speaking with Gerry Adams) is a Stalinist.

07-23-2017 , 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

No.

https://shirazsocialist.wordpress.co...sing-millions/

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...e-seumas-milne

Oh, so this is really about Seumas Milne? Lol.

07-23-2017 , 02:48 PM

#10322

jalfrezi

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Originally Posted by microbet

Really not sure what your're wtf'ing. I hope it's that Corbyn (who 57 reviles because of his speaking with Gerry Adams) is a Stalinist.

No, it's about you trying to score points by bringing Ireland into it when it's clearly about whether Corbyn/Milne/McDonnell are centre left, Trotskyists, Stalinists or Maoists (I believe that Corbyn is probably the most moderate of the three).

EDIT: Posted after 57's clarification