President Trump - Page 385 - Politics version 7.0 -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

Did you guys know Jared Kushner is a Jewish scion of old New York money who went to Harvard AND NYU who wears skinny ties and parties with celebrities?

07-18-2017 , 01:15 PM

#9603

batair

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 16,802

Quote:

Originally Posted by BitchiBee

most of these liberals in the media are elitist ****s who do think Ebonics is a sign of low intelligence, but can't say it because it'll be racist!

Trump talking like an average person is a high crime and a sign of stupidity in their eyes.

Him not understanding important stuff like nuclear deterrent and why we have nukes but dont use them is a sign of his stupidity. Along with a bunch of other stuff. Like remember when he outed the asset of Israel and confirmed it was Israels in a press conference in Israel. That was good stuff.

The real question is how come his stupidity, which is plain as day any time he talks, is not seen by some.

Ffs even most trump supporters in real life i know will say he is dumb...

07-18-2017 , 01:16 PM

#9604

BitchiBee

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 24,622

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

Did you guys know Jared Kushner is a Jewish scion of old New York money who went to Harvard AND NYU who wears skinny ties and parties with celebrities?

we also don't think hes a conservative just because he says he is

07-18-2017 , 01:17 PM

#9605

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 36,770

Quote:

Originally Posted by wil318466

Hahaha. Hahahahahahahaha.

Because, you know, that Italian food is so elitist.

Hahahahahahahaha I can't stop laughing. They should have went to a Chinese takeout joint, "egg foo young" would have blown that girls mind!

I'd have just mushed her right into the deli counter.

This is like when Republicans fail to get the Boy Who Cried Wolf parable. The girl in this story is meant to be a stand-in for you, wil. That's how Acela-corridor conservatives view your illiterate ass. And believe me, Jared and the Trump clan are far less charitable in their opinion of you.

07-18-2017 , 01:18 PM

#9606

BitchiBee

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 24,622

Quote:

Originally Posted by batair

didn't know when asking questions you aren't exactly sure of is a sign of stupidity.

Is not knowing about the intricacies of nuclear weapons or making a diplomatic gaff about Isreal really a sign of stupidity?

gonna harp on him for honesty now? Hillary woulda blamed some youtubers

07-18-2017 , 01:19 PM

#9607

wil318466

banned

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 19,154

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

wil has definitely also never heard of David Brooks lol

I'd mush David Brooks, too.

07-18-2017 , 01:20 PM

#9608

wil318466

banned

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 19,154

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

This is like when Republicans **** up the Boy Who Cried Wolf parable. The girl in this story is meant to be a stand-in for you, wil. That's how Acela-corridor Republicans see your illiterate ass.

I'm high-end on the food spectrum, homie.

07-18-2017 , 01:21 PM

#9609

spanktehbadwookie

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 19,374

Quote:

Originally Posted by BitchiBee

rino's a word for a reason

It's actually an acronym- and fairly meaningless.

07-18-2017 , 01:23 PM

#9610

batair

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 16,802

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiggyMac

As an Italian American, I am also offended by this Jewish person's cultural appropriation of my heritage. That's how I'm supposed to Leftist, right?

The extremist right you belong to is not going to like the hyphenated American stuff. Time to adopt the culture. I guess its ok since you are white but there was a time when Italians were in the out group.

07-18-2017 , 01:23 PM

#9611

BitchiBee

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 24,622

Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

The Bordieu piece is legit but this book was not written by the David Brooks of the NYT, but by an Australian with the same name. See here.

I just skimmed the Bordieu piece real quick but it's not clear to me how it contains anything that would disqualify a person from identifying as conservative. I mean, it's kind of a fluff piece, but the core argument ("Donald Trump... [is] a genius at the symbolic warfare Bourdieu described. He’s a genius at upending the social rules and hierarchies that the establishment classes (of both right and left) have used to maintain dominance.") doesn't seem like one that's particularly liberal. And I think Bordieu's concept of habitus is fairly useful, sociologically. I also don't see any reason to think of it as a particularly partisan concept. It's just a way of thinking about social capital and its relation to political and economic power.

Quote:

Moreover, Bourdieu reminds us that the drive to create inequality is an endemic social sin. Every hour most of us, unconsciously or not, try to win subtle status points, earn cultural affirmation, develop our tastes, promote our lifestyles and advance our class. All of those microbehaviors open up social distances, which then, by the by, open up geographic and economic gaps.

... more profound, both on a personal level — resisting the competitive, ego-driven aspects of social networking and display — and on a national one.

this is utterly anathema to american conservatism. His writing is riddled with stuff like this. I don't agree with some of Ben Shapiro, but hes a good mouthpiece for conservative ideology and he would never write the stuff Brooks puts out on the regular.

07-18-2017 , 01:26 PM

#9612

batair

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 16,802

Quote:

Originally Posted by BitchiBee

He was running for ****ing president. And intricacies. OMG...its basic knowledge that if you dont have you should not pass go.

Intricacies...hahahaha.....

07-18-2017 , 01:30 PM

#9613

well named

poorly undertitled

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 78,077

Turning an argument about the social (habitus) into a call for personal virtue and responsibility ("resist the ego driven aspects of social media") is some old school kind of small-c conservatism, is it not? Party of personal responsibility? Saying that competition or the creation of inequality is natural to the human condition is also a pretty common argument I hear from conservatives. I mean, he's an acella-corridor (as they say) "moderate", not a MAGA-hat-wearing alt-right reactionary, but it seems like you're just defining away a pretty long tradition of "American conservatism" in favor of Trumpism and RINOs.

I mean granted if you want to make fun of him for excessive intellectual wankery for appealing to Bourdieu to make this argument then I can kind of see it.

07-18-2017 , 01:36 PM

#9614

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 36,770

Quote:

Originally Posted by wil318466

I'm high-end on the food spectrum, homie.

That's the whole point! You ought to be mildly offended at the condesceding way Brooks sees you and your fellow Trump fans. You're too clueless to even get that you're getting clowned on.

Last edited by Trolly McTrollson; 07-18-2017 at 01:49 PM.

07-18-2017 , 01:41 PM

#9615

BitchiBee

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 24,622

Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

I don't see any of that in his piece, he talks about Trump winning the meme was as a naked power grab. Maybe I read this piece wrong but it just seems like a piece about memetic magic coached in leftist language about power, inequality and competition as inherently bad.

07-18-2017 , 01:46 PM

#9616

Abbaddabba

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,807

Quote:

Originally Posted by BitchiBee

You think I was unaware of that?

rino's a word for a reason

So that disgruntled guys with too much time on their hands can define and redefine what republicanism and conservatism stand for at their own discretion?

07-18-2017 , 01:51 PM

#9617

batair

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 16,802

Intricacies... its still getting to me. Oh ****.

07-18-2017 , 01:54 PM

#9618

BitchiBee

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 24,622

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abbaddabba

So that disgruntled guys with too much time on their hands can define and redefine what republicanism and conservatism stand for at their own discretion?

when you act talk and walk like a liberal, you are not a conservative

07-18-2017 , 01:55 PM

#9619

well named

poorly undertitled

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 78,077

Brooks doesn't think competition is bad. See for example him arguing for market-based healthcare solutions. He's a conservative, and not an anarcho-capitalist, in the sense that he thinks private virtue should constrain the excesses of capitalism.

He's a traditionalist who values the establishment order and the ideal of the American Civic Religion and disdains Trump mostly for subverting those things.

07-18-2017 , 01:56 PM

#9620

goofyballer

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 70,719

Some quotes from the liberal David Brooks in a few columns I opened

Quote:

Conservative income redistribution doesn’t look like liberal redistribution. Conservatives tend to like their redistribution done at the local level, and they like to use market-friendly mechanisms, like child tax credits, mobility vouchers and wage subsidies.

Quote:

Donald Trump sets the bar very high, but the award for the worst public policy idea of the year goes to New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.
...
But in 2016 Bernie Sanders made a big splash on the campaign trail with a plan to make college “free.” So Cuomo proposed and on Wednesday signed legislation to make tuition free at New York public colleges for anybody coming from a family making no more than $100,000 a year, with the cap rising to $125,000 in 2019.
...
it demotivates students. Research has shown that students who have to work to pay some college costs, even if only small expenses, are more spurred to work hard and graduate.
...
Cuomo’s law threatens to destroy some of New York’s private colleges. Cuomo could have championed a Pell-like program that subsidizes attendance at any accredited school. Instead, he pays for tuition only at state schools.

This means that suddenly the state’s 150 private colleges have to compete with “free.” Many of these schools are already struggling to survive.

Quote:

Moreover, the future of this country is not going to be found in protecting jobs that are long gone or in catering to the fears of aging whites. There is a raging need for a movement that embraces economic dynamism, global engagement and social support — that is part Milton Friedman on economic policy, Ronald Reagan on foreign policy and Franklin Roosevelt on welfare policy.

The new center will probably start as a legislative caucus with members of both parties. Where it goes from there is anybody’s guess.

Quote:

I feel very lucky to have entered the conservative movement when I did, back in the 1980s and 1990s. I was working at National Review, The Washington Times, The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page. The role models in front of us were people like Bill Buckley, Irving Kristol, James Q. Wilson, Russell Kirk and Midge Decter.

These people wrote about politics, but they also wrote about a lot of other things: history, literature, sociology, theology and life in general. There was a sharp distinction then between being conservative, which was admired, and being a Republican, which was considered sort of cheesy.
...
The Buckley-era establishment self-confidently enforced intellectual and moral standards. It rebuffed the nativists like the John Birch Society, the apocalyptic polemicists who popped up with the New Right, and they exiled conspiracy-mongers and anti-Semites, like Joe Sobran, an engaging man who was rightly fired from National Review.
...
The very essence of conservatism is the belief that politics is a limited activity, and that the most important realms are pre-political: conscience, faith, culture, family and community. But recently conservatism has become more the talking arm of the Republican Party.
...
This is a sad story. But I confess I’m insanely optimistic about a conservative rebound. That’s because of an observation the writer Yuval Levin once made: That while most of the crazy progressives are young, most of the crazy conservatives are old. Conservatism is now being led astray by its seniors, but its young people are pretty great. It’s hard to find a young evangelical who likes Donald Trump. Most young conservatives are comfortable with ethnic diversity and are weary of the Fox News media-politico complex. Conservatism’s best ideas are coming from youngish reformicons who have crafted an ambitious governing agenda (completely ignored by Trump).

A Trump defeat could cleanse a lot of bad structures and open ground for new growth. It was good to be a young conservative back in my day. It’s great to be one right now.

07-18-2017 , 02:18 PM

#9621

well named

poorly undertitled

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 78,077

Obamacare repeal is dead? Long live Obamacare repeal!

07-18-2017 , 02:40 PM

#9622

Abbaddabba

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,807

Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

Yea, but conservatism has been redefined to mean whatever donald trump happens to represent at any given point in time. So he's not really a conservative. There's a différance! Like how trade protectionism is the new capitalism... but you'd have to be pretty smart to see why.

07-18-2017 , 02:45 PM

#9623

TiltedDonkey

veteran

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 2,975

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

It's actually an acronym- and fairly meaningless.

07-18-2017 , 02:56 PM

#9624

JiggyMac

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 1,809

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abbaddabba

Let me let you in on a little secret - ssssshhhh.

Trump supporters know Trump isn't a conservative. GASP! SHOCK! OMG!?

I know, right.

He's just better than the alternative. And he pisses off the Lefists.

When Jesus runs on the ballot, trust us, we'll vote for him.

(It's like we know you know the Russian thing isn't real, Leftists just don't like Trump in office.)

(Update - only 6% care about Russia as a top issue - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...trump-j57v0var)

Last edited by JiggyMac; 07-18-2017 at 03:18 PM.