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Old 07-15-2017, 10:17 AM   #9351
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The chart shows GDP per capita in adjusted dollars.
why are you ignoring that in 1973 the economy was completely destroyed in chile. 500% inflation and massive debt means a defunct country within 2-3 years
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:20 AM   #9352
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"Lol Venezuela" is idiotic. It's as if no capitalist economy has had an economic collapse and places like Scandinavia don't exist.

Venezuela made a big mistake becoming over dependent on oil. Centrally planned economies are dumb, but capitalist countries can also become over-dependent on a specific industry and have that industry crash as well. Also Venezuela has been subject to very damaging sanctions.

Norway is also hugely dependent on oil and much of the industry is state owned or controlled, but the government wisely sets aside much of the money and invests in other industries. That's also socialism.

The Nordic countries are market economies with high-taxation. They are not socialist.

Let's ask the PM of Denmark:

https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/dan...-not-socialist


"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,” Rasmussen said.

“The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,” he added. "
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:27 AM   #9353
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You know who were real Socialists though?

The National Socialist German Workers' Party or the Nazi Party.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:33 AM   #9354
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You know who were real Socialists though?

The National Socialist German Workers' Party or the Nazi Party.
Rubbish.

"The government will not protect the economic interests of the German people by the circuitous method of an economic bureaucracy to be organised by the state, but by the utmost furtherance of private initiative and by the recognition of the rights of property”
Adolf Hitler, 1933

By your faulty logic, the German Democratic Republic was a democracy.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:34 AM   #9355
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Yeah, but whenever anyone wants to expand Medicare you call them socialists and say "lol Venezuela". Norway is more socialist than Bernie Sanders. You wanna count 'lol Venezuela's thrown at him like it proved something?

The Nazis were not socialists by the definition of the state owning the means of production. Socialists were a target of the Nazis. The Nazi economy was a very mixed public/private system, essentially what we have in the US.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:45 AM   #9356
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yeah we should model the US on a 5 mil population country thats extremely homogenous racially, socially and religiously with more oil than people because they somehow can make a high tax situation work.

idk why you guys love to cherry pick so much when history is replete with socialist failures.

tho I'm guessing those failures are all the fault of the USA.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:46 AM   #9357
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maybe we should follow norways lead on regulation tho, oh wait that doesn't fit into your love of state power so we'll ignore that

also I love how the countries you gush about when they turn sour you disavow immediately. in the 90s the examples were all about venezuala. when in 30 years these nordic socialist countries slowly become defunct will you at least not be so disingenuous like you are with venezuala.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:48 AM   #9358
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why are you ignoring that in 1973 the economy was completely destroyed in chile. 500% inflation and massive debt means a defunct country within 2-3 years
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Chile

Well, The wiki on your free market miracle says the high inflation was 140%.

Maybe they weren't socialist enough. Nixon, the commie, was instituting price and wage controls at this time.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:53 AM   #9359
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maybe we should follow norways lead on regulation tho, oh wait that doesn't fit into your love of state power so we'll ignore that
I don't love state power. I'm an small business owner and lover of personal freedom, just not a tool of wall street, the military industrial complex and multinational corporations like the republicans or a religious zealot about markets like American style libertarians. But what are you talking about?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Chile

Well, The wiki on your free market miracle says the high inflation was 140%.

Maybe they weren't socialist enough. Nixon, the commie, was instituting price and wage controls at this time.
yeah thats so much better lololol

idk what nixon instituting price controls has to do with anything tho, are you rambling in your socialist delusions?
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:56 AM   #9361
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:57 AM   #9362
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maybe we should follow norways lead on regulation tho, oh wait that doesn't fit into your love of state power so we'll ignore that

also I love how the countries you gush about when they turn sour you disavow immediately. in the 90s the examples were all about venezuala. when in 30 years these nordic socialist countries slowly become defunct will you at least not be so disingenuous like you are with venezuala.
Amazing world you live in. I don't know who gushed about Venezuela ever. Meanwhile people have been gushing about the social protections in Western Europe for my whole life.
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yeah thats so much better lololol

idk what nixon instituting price controls has to do with anything tho, are you rambling in your socialist delusions?
It's bad, but it's pretty much proof that you're a troll if you laugh off the difference between 500 and 140.

The point about price controls is that socialist solutions were used in the US to prevent runaway inflation in the early 70s.

Anyway, I'm being way too kind to you. The absence of socialism is Anarcho-Capitalism. You're a wing-nut.

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Old 07-15-2017, 11:01 AM   #9364
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Collectivists gonna disavow collectivism. Whaddya gunna do.


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Old 07-15-2017, 11:03 AM   #9365
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I don't love state power. I'm an small business owner and lover of personal freedom, just not a tool of wall street, the military industrial complex and multinational corporations like the republicans or a religious zealot about markets like American style libertarians. But what are you talking about?


How about you just stop worrying about what is on other people's pockets and just worry about your own? Economics is not a zero sum game.


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Old 07-15-2017, 11:07 AM   #9366
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Amazing world you live in. I don't know who gushed about Venezuela ever. Meanwhile people have been gushing about the social protections in Western Europe for my whole life.
"These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?" sanders 2011

"We salute Chavez and the people of Venezuela for turning the clock of history full circle... I look forward to the development of Venezuela, the efficiency of Venezuela, in providing good services and decency for all the people of that country." corbyn 2013

current day socialist thought leaders in western countries gushing about ven less than 6 years ago. the praise for this socialist utopia was nonstop when chavez has money to spend. When the socialist nordic countries fail will you pull the same trick? oh we never praised the nordic countries.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:08 AM   #9367
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It's bad, but it's pretty much proof that you're a troll if you laugh off the difference between 500 and 140.

The point about price controls is that socialist solutions were used in the US to prevent runaway inflation in the early 70s.

Anyway, I'm being way too kind to you. The absence of socialism is Anarcho-Capitalism. You're a wing-nut.
yeah you realize your idiocy cannot be defended when you choose to call a hyper inflating economy "growing" so you turn around and insult

congrats lololol
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:22 AM   #9368
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How about you just stop worrying about what is on other people's pockets and just worry about your own? Economics is not a zero sum game.


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I won't stop because I'm not a Republican Anarcho-Capitalist. If other people have nothing in their pockets I worry about it.

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Old 07-15-2017, 01:12 PM   #9369
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ok it was fun while it lasted but it's hammer time about now


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You know who were real Socialists though?

The National Socialist German Workers' Party or the Nazi Party.
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Old 07-15-2017, 04:11 PM   #9370
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It was meant as a response to you in the sense of saying something like:

"sure, the way some people reflexively dismiss complaints about economic inequality is bull****, but there's a valid point in there somewhere about the Clintons being representative of a problem of the wealthy dominating political discourse, and it seeming a bit dubious sometimes when rich politicians who support a system that keeps them both rich and in power complain about inequality".
I don't really see what the alternative is supposed to be here. If you are anywhere close to becoming President, you are one of the most powerful people in the world. That much power always attracts money, so if you aren't wealthy it is purely through some kind of monkish abstention. If you want to talk about how these politicians are raised, well, the Clintons and Obama didn't come from a lot of wealth.
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The good doctor eviscerates CNN fake news hacks.



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He is a good guy. Where is his Nazi outfit did he leave it at home?
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Old 07-15-2017, 05:48 PM   #9374
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yeah we should model the US on a 5 mil population country thats extremely homogenous racially, socially and religiously with more oil than people because they somehow can make a high tax situation work.

idk why you guys love to cherry pick so much when history is replete with socialist failures.

tho I'm guessing those failures are all the fault of the USA.
You're right; this is absolutely ridiculous. It'd be better to base the US's model on the wants and needs of 50yr old white religious males from rural counties in MI/WI/PA in the hopes of making coal mining, manufacturing, and "religious freedom" great again.
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Old 07-15-2017, 06:04 PM   #9375
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If you are curious about what happened to the rest of Latin America in 1980, that's when Ronald Reagan became President and started funding death squads and murderous right wing governments throughout Central America. That and the IMF debt crisis and enforced austerity plans.
If we knew exactly what caused economic problems and it was as simple as 'Ronald Reagan was president and he's a conservative' then you wouldn't have to attend University for 4-8 years to become knowledgable in economics. These posts of yours drawing a line back from every evil in the world back to Republican white houses are lol.
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