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Old 07-11-2017, 02:04 PM   #8376
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Re: President Trump

Many really will sellout this country and its most valued right and do it mostly out of spite. Amazing.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:05 PM   #8377
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I would imagine that this isn't enforced very often because it doesn't happen very often.

Anyway, I think it's very likely Jr. will face charges. I could be wrong, who knows? The argument is fairly clear cut, but we'll see how it goes. As far as this having any political repercussions I'm not the least bit surprised that you guys don't think it matters :P
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:06 PM   #8378
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Fox & Friends walked back their false report about Comey's memos from yesterday

You do know the difference between Top Secret and Classified, right? No? Ok. Anyway, WaPo is propaganda, so let's try something a little more reliable shall we?

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...ned-classified
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:09 PM   #8379
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You do know the difference between Top Secret and Classified, right? No? Ok. Anyway, WaPo is propaganda, so let's try something a little more reliable shall we?

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...ned-classified
Oh sweet, naive JiggyMac. Did you read this part in the Yahoo article above?

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“Yesterday on this program, we aired and tweeted this story saying former FBI Director James Comey leaked memos containing top secret information,” he said. “We were mistaken in that. According to the report, half of the memos contain information classified at the secret or confidential, not top-secret, level. Markings of the documents in which Mr. Comey leaked are, at this point, unclear. Just wanted to straighten that out.
No, you didn't, did you? LOL
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:09 PM   #8380
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I would imagine that this isn't enforced very often because it doesn't happen very often.

Anyway, I think it's very likely Jr. will face charges. I could be wrong, who knows? The argument is fairly clear cut, but we'll see how it goes. As far as this having any political repercussions I'm not the least bit surprised that you guys don't think it matters :P
I do think this kind of goes to using a snake to catch a snake. Obviously Hillary was corrupted by her Saudi, Russian, Chinese and British (let's not forget the fake dossier, shall we?) connections - that taking her down was and is the only patriotic thing TO do.

The odds are that Jr. never faces charges - and to be fair, I think that would work out VERY badly for Hillary and crew. Their crimes are far worse and I doubt the statute of limitations has expired yet.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:10 PM   #8381
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I honestly don't know where I come down, though I suspect I'll come down as not caring. inb4, bias, blah blah.

I am thinking about it in terms of future actions. Do we want opposition research going forward to include investigating every connection a campaign has to foreign nationals? It's a very parochial way of thinking. You can't solicit advice from foreigners? Very non-cosmopolitan. Very non-liberal.

I vaguely remember something about Obama talking with Iran during a campaign, but I don't remember where I came down on it then. We should all be asking ourselves (myself included), do I just side with my party? What position did I take when my party did this, or when the other party did this?
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:22 PM   #8382
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I vaguely remember something about Obama talking with Iran during a campaign, but I don't remember where I came down on it then. We should all be asking ourselves (myself included), do I just side with my party? What position did I take when my party did this, or when the other party did this?
You know what I really want?

1) Candidates to be barred from setting up "charitable" foundations to funnel foreign national money for the purposes of quid-pro quo and pay for play shenanigans with taxpayer dollars.. Note, this would not preclude businessmen from running for office. I would no more bar a Trump than a Warren Buffett.
2) Candidates to not receiving debate questions in advance from politically motivated operatives in "news" organizations.
3) Candidates not secretly colluding with Party Committees to disadvantage certain candidates. If parties want to draw straws to choose their candidate, fine - but do it in public.
4) Candidates who do not destroy government property to hide evidence. Once your emails reside next to classified information on the same server, that is government property. It's not up to you personally to decide.
5) Candidates who believe crimes were committed to turn over such evidence to the FBI.


I think Trumpers have been pretty consistent here.

There's an interesting article which I can't find right now - but the reasoning is simple. There was no reason to 'collude' with Russia because everything was out in the open between Trump and Russia (the "maybe Russia can find her emails"). They didn't need to collude - Hillary's corruption was in plain sight and they were just pointing it all out. This feigned 'but, but, duh for-in influenz' is quite disingenuous coming from the Left.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:34 PM   #8384
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Shamelessly stealing this from Alpha. Breitbart yesterday: New York Times Has Neither Seen Nor Read ‘Russia Email’ to Donald Trump, Jr.

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Supposedly, the email would have alerted Trump, Jr. to the lawyer’s alleged links to the Kremlin.

Curiously, the Times does not provide the email. Nor has it actually seen the email. Its source: “three people with knowledge of the email.”

This is only the latest effort by the Times to bring down President Donald Trump that relies on documents it has not seen and verified.
LOL WHOOPS
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:40 PM   #8385
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bahahahaha Sushy cannot stop reading the forum he's banned from.

How do you even do that, logging out? Second 2+2 account? I'm curious what hoops you jump through every time you want to go read Alpha.
Not sure if I'm being leveled here or something but are exiles part of the forum software? I thought it was just an unofficial promise to ban if you posted there again.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:42 PM   #8386
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Yeah, they claimed to have knowledge of sources. Good thing Don Jr. came to their rescue today to let everyone see their emails.


The Clinton Method of handling information:
1) bleach-bit emails
2) hammer phone to pieces
3) deny

The Trump method:

1) Tweet emails for transparency
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:45 PM   #8387
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Not sure if I'm being leveled here or something but are exiles part of the forum software? I thought it was just an unofficial promise to ban if you posted there again.
It's possible via the software, as long as you are logged in. A person who has been exiled from a forum can always log out and see it, afaik. But since you can't see it while logged in, you can't post in it.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:46 PM   #8388
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Well, I spend a lot of my time here getting attacked and responding in kind, and then I also spend a lot of it posting news and content, probably more than the vast majority of posters in P7 tbh.

But then in the very post where you're complaining about my behavior and substance, you name someone (wil) who's the most egregious attacker and off-topic poster in this entire forum, who you've never once complained about. Again, I kinda nailed it when I said earlier that you just hate liberals, and pretending like your interjection here is because you give half a **** about the quality of discourse is laughably transparent.

In fact, it kinda seems like you're contributing to the problem with this kind of dishonest and disingenuous trolling, buddy! Maybe you could chime in with some substance instead of spending most of your time here making up idiotic generalizations about the other team and back-patting the dumbest posts by conservatives ("treasonous liberals!") that this forum has ever seen? Try it out!
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Dude, I barely know who you are. As far as I'm concerned you are a newish poster in this forum that for some reason came here from the main forum and immediately attacked everyone who disagrees with you in a very condescending manner.

You thinking I give a flying **** about you is hilarious. Do me a favor and just dissapear. If I never saw another post from you again I would not be disapointed. You hate it here so much? Leave. I assure you I will not miss you.
wil, as is often the case, your response here is only tangentially related to the post it is replying to (hint: goofy was not addressing you in his post)
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:48 PM   #8389
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This post is a little peek into the minds of leftists. Notice he said "****ty beliefs"? That is a reference to his admitted judgemental attitude towards something he disagrees with.

See, the difference between you and me is I can accept there are differences and circumstances which need to be addressed in a certain way to achieve maximum result.
LITERALLY IT'S IN THE SAME ****ING POST

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Typical leftist feelings-based bull****. ... When I was an idiot I used to think like you
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:51 PM   #8390
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Not sure if I'm being leveled here or something but are exiles part of the forum software? I thought it was just an unofficial promise to ban if you posted there again.
Yes, they are, afaik.

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Yeah, they claimed to have knowledge of sources. Good thing Don Jr. came to their rescue today to let everyone see their emails.


The Clinton Method of handling information:
1) bleach-bit emails
2) hammer phone to pieces
3) deny

The Trump method:

1) Tweet emails for transparency
Hahahahaha the posters in Alpha who wil always says are wrong predicted exactly this too. 3 hours ago:

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They're moving to the "we did it, no biggie" defense because they assume the email trail was going to become public anyway. Now they can pretend they were transparent and this isn't a big deal.
You guys keep proving them right about you!

(Don Jr. posted them because the NYT got the email and were going to publish, LOL at that too)
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:55 PM   #8391
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(Don Jr. posted them because the NYT got the email and were going to publish, LOL at that too)
As in - nothing to see here. But if you want to see it, here it is. Otherwise, it's really nobody's business. Kind of like Trump's tax returns, which you'll never get to see either.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:57 PM   #8392
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As in - nothing to see here.
"Nothing to see here" except Donnie Jr. saying he'd love to get damaging Hillary info from the Russian government to help his father's campaign, aka what conservatives have spent the last several months telling us didn't happen LOLOLOL
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:57 PM   #8393
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My prediction of another nothingburger still stands.
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:03 PM   #8394
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Is it the fact that it was a foreigner that is the problem they see?
Yes. Specifically someone connected to a hostile foreign government, not just a foreigner.

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I don't think it should be against the law for a republican to listen to a foreigner who has dirt on his political opponent since dems have the media airing their opponents dirty laundry for them. We should make both legal or both illegal.
Luckily for us, your feelings on what the law should be have little impact on what it actually is.

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Interesting. So, if I'm running for a federal office, I can't talk to my foreign friends about my campaign strategy? More specifically, I cannot solicit their advice or information, if that advice or information is a thing of value?

That's the way I read the law, but it seems strange.
Again, it's not just some rando from another country it's an agent of a hostile foreign power.

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and to be fair, I think that would work out VERY badly for Hillary and crew. Their crimes are far worse and I doubt the statute of limitations has expired yet.
What.. how does this work? Like, Hillary is not involved here (I'm not sure if you noticed but she lost the election 9 months ago). Why would she get prosecuted if Trump does? Like, what?

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I honestly don't know where I come down, though I suspect I'll come down as not caring. inb4, bias, blah blah.
I find you to be the most reasonable conservative poster so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here that you are not deliberately arguing in bad faith. You are of course biased but so is everyone else, myself included.

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I am thinking about it in terms of future actions. Do we want opposition research going forward to include investigating every connection a campaign has to foreign nationals?
I assume this already mostly happens; oppo research is focused on what will be politically damaging, not specifically illegal things.

Also, it's agent of a hostile foreign government, not foreign national.

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It's a very parochial way of thinking. You can't solicit advice from foreigners? Very non-cosmopolitan. Very non-liberal.
Agent of hostile foreign power.

Get advice from your Canadian friend all day. Hell, get advice from your Russian friend. Don't try to get "damaging information" from an agent of a hostile foreign power.

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I vaguely remember something about Obama talking with Iran during a campaign, but I don't remember where I came down on it then. We should all be asking ourselves (myself included), do I just side with my party?
I think you are going to have to provide details on this if you want to hold it forward as equivalent (I've never heard about it before).

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What position did I take when my party did this, or when the other party did this?
This is very fair, and I agree that we all should be careful not to be too partisan, but if you are claiming that there has been similar conduct by Democrats you need to demonstrate that:

1) It happened.
2) Liberals didn't care.

I haven't seen evidence for either.

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It's possible via the software, as long as you are logged in. A person who has been exiled from a forum can always log out and see it, afaik. But since you can't see it while logged in, you can't post in it.
Ah okay.

I've never understood why bans prevent people from reading the forum. Seems like a lazy implementation to me.
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:09 PM   #8395
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Again, it's not just some rando from another country it's an agent of a hostile foreign power.
This doesn't appear to be true for the law I cited. There may be other laws, I don't know. But see (a)(3)(ii)
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:11 PM   #8396
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Another great point from alpha: after all the "fake NYT" and "failing NYT" stuff from Trump, Donnie Jr. is like "oh yeah let me conclusively prove that all your reporting in last 3 days about crimes I may have committed is 100% accurate"
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:19 PM   #8397
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Agent of hostile foreign power.

Get advice from your Canadian friend all day. Hell, get advice from your Russian friend. Don't try to get "damaging information" from an [B]agent of a hostile foreign power.
What is this "agent of a hostile foreign power"?

Are we at war with Russia?

Are there non-hostile agents of foreign powers?

Did Don Jr. receive any damaging information?
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:23 PM   #8398
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This doesn't appear to be true for the law I cited. There may be other laws, I don't know. But see (a)(3)(ii)
Yeah, I just mean that in this case specifically we are talking about an agent of a hostile foreign power.

You might be right as far as a the law goes but if it was just like "hired someone from Canada as a campaign adviser" or something I don't think I would even give a ****, much less have a hope that conservatives would.

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What is this "agent of a hostile foreign power"?
It's not a "what", it's a "who", specifically the lawyer Trump Jr. met with who purported to be connected with the Russian government.

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Are we at war with Russia?
Kind of.

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Are there non-hostile agents of foreign powers?
Yes, and there are also agents of non-hostile foreign powers.

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Did Don Jr. receive any damaging information?
Not that we know of at this time, but it's not particularly relevant.
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:26 PM   #8399
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"Nothing to see here" except Donnie Jr. saying he'd love to get damaging Hillary info from the Russian government to help his father's campaign, aka what conservatives have spent the last several months telling us didn't happen LOLOLOL
Allow me to point you to the exact, relevant line in the email:

"information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia"

As in, this person may have evidence that Hillary colluded with Russia. I suppose exposing her corruption even further would be quite interesting, even though it turned out to be a nothingburger.
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:31 PM   #8400
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Kind of.
Is that like "half-pregnant"? Either we are or we are not.


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Not that we know of at this time, but it's not particularly relevant.
Listening to people is now illegal in this country. Do tell...
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