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Yeah. The Dems position on all things military, police, NSA, and well almost everything because you can include coal, pipelines, welfare reform, Wall St. deregulation etc, has been that they just have to be less bad than the Republicans.

were they tho?

didnt clinton promise reeducation and retraining for careers in new fields bc those coal jobs were gonezo?

seems that she told the truth and put forth a feasible and promising plan.

Victor bringing facts to a feelings fight.

Yeah, HRC brought facts to a feeling fight as well.

O was in the quintessential damned-if-you-do/don't situation with conservatives.

Although I have to restate my earlier assumptions. I had forgotten about '8 years later and O made race relations worse!'

That's definitely #1 in the power rankings with this whole hawk/pacifist conundrum being a strong #2.

They hunted an old-ass man to the end of the earth and are being labelled p*****s. Imagine if O had, on the 1st of office, said, "Yeah, so, 9/11 totally sucked baaallllls, we can all agree on that, but, like, we've killed orders and orders of magnitudes more of their d00dz at this point. Maybe it's time to just call the whole thing off, right?"

play bad get there.

They felt betrayed and have slowly lost everything.

What would you have done? You people make me laugh. You trip over yourselves telling each other how you really, truly understand what people of different cultures and ethnicities feel deep down inside, you know, because white supremacy and everything, but you don't know how your own people do. Losing the white rust belt vote to the GOP is just an awful embarrassment.

How can anyone not see this?

As always, nonstop leftist idiocy.

heh, reminds me of when rumsfeld said the first part. it was in response to breaking the one thousand merican dead in iraq. he was like, "well ya we lost a thousand men, but we kill 5 or 10 thousand of them every month."

so ya, he was using it to justify the war continuing. and I am pretty sure the republicans and conservatives would share this pov. when they hear that we are killing "orders of magnitude more" then I am pretty sure that their first thought is "cool, keep it up" and certainly not "ok thats enough."

we certainly dont claim to understand how other ppl feel. that is why we argue and fight for those ppl to be represented and to be able to express how they feel.

and when trying to understand how other ppl feel, and what drives them, the first thing that we do is listen to them. that goes for foreign and exotic cultures, or for rust belt bigots. ultimately, they will tell you what they value.

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anyway, I dont doubt that they felt betrayed and have lost a lot. so have tons of other ppl. look at the autoworkers. and other factory workers. I mean, we have been over this many times, but no longer can you graduate from high school and get any ole job at the local plant without any further training and make a nice middle class living.

but, as for the coal miners, I think that hillarys plan was much better. it was more honest and had much greater chance of actually happening and a much greater chance of actually working.

its clear that trump never had any actual plan to help the miners. nor is any plan really feasible without disrupting other sectors.

now, he has instituted some reforms that benefit the coal company executives. now they can pollute with impunity. ironically, that will actually cost jobs as now the coal mines can operate with less ppl bc smaller clean up crews are required.

anyway, the rest of your post is a non sequitor.

Yeah, I was gonna rainbow that one.

Where do you guys get this ****? Is there a leftist idiot handbook that is secretly passed around?

If listening is that hard, start with simply hearing

is the title.

It's called "Lunacy 101".

Required reading in the main forum.

What page of your propaganda talking point book do you all get the leftist shtick when there are none in the goverment and barely any in the US or its media.

Here's a handbook from Mexico. Sixth Declaration of the Selva Lacandona

"listen" comes up 27 times in a pretty short document.

Again, so sorry to interrupt with things related to Donald Trump, but the president of the US spent hours this morning breathlessly tweeting things he watched on Fox And Friends

I think he's probably achieved a new peak in wishing an unnecessary and agonisingly painful death upon 25 million people.

Next up will be truck drivers replaced by automation. I guess we're supposed to empathise with them when they vote for a Nazi too?

Trump:



As the Washington Post patiently explains in a manner befit for a seven year old: nope

19 other nations in G20 agree to remain committed to Paris agreement, isolating the US

Under Trump, Europe's criticism of America loses its restraints

lol sushy

busy, busy giving it away