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Old 06-30-2017, 12:11 PM   #7476
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Oh hey, tapatalk finally allows me to see tweets. The question now is, should I now unblock Einbert so I can actually see his tweet spam?
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I do embrace it. I'm as happy as can be he's president and I fully support him. To be honest, the more your side cries the more I like him.
You should let him take your wife furniture shopping then.
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Ehh. Not really, dude. You can argue the Detroit Pistons didn't deserve to win those two championships and back it up by saying the league changed the rules afterwards, but they still own the trophies.

Winning is winning.
Sure, just ask Lance Armstrong.
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:55 PM   #7479
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Wasn't it America first that beat the Nazis and fascists 70 years ago?

I wonder how we would have fared vs. them, or the Soviets, had we been so tolerant and inclusive as we are today.
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:58 PM   #7480
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Yesterday was a pretty, pretty bad day for Trump PR-wise. Did he learn from his mistakes? Let's find out!



















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Old 06-30-2017, 01:59 PM   #7481
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Wasn't it America first that beat the Nazis and fascists 70 years ago?

I wonder how we would have fared vs. them, or the Soviets, had we been so tolerant and inclusive as we are today.
Such an ignorant post.

America First was a movement with Charles Lindbergh as a prominent leader and 800000 members lobbying to keep the US out of the war against the Nazis. It was a real historical thing, not just the words "America" and "First". So no, it was not America First that beat the Nazis. They didn't want to fight the Nazis because, like the Nazis, they were a bunch of racists.
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Old 06-30-2017, 02:21 PM   #7482
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No difference between an 81 year old dying and a kid being murdered. Nope, none at all.

So we are at:

Trump: 1
Clinton: 30+

Shall we continue?
You may continue if you wish. I don't actually think Trump had anyone killed. Because I don't believe in dumb conspiracies like you do.
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Old 06-30-2017, 02:35 PM   #7483
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You may continue if you wish. I don't actually think Trump had anyone killed. Because I don't believe in dumb conspiracies like you do.
Trump has killed a lot of people.

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/30/is-t...pay-attention/

If you want something more specific that had Trump's personal approval.

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/09/...ful-seal-raid/
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Old 06-30-2017, 02:43 PM   #7484
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Wasn't it America first that beat the Nazis and fascists 70 years ago?

I wonder how we would have fared vs. them, or the Soviets, had we been so tolerant and inclusive as we are today.



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Old 06-30-2017, 03:06 PM   #7485
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Such an ignorant post.

America First was a movement with Charles Lindbergh as a prominent leader and 800000 members lobbying to keep the US out of the war against the Nazis. It was a real historical thing, not just the words "America" and "First". So no, it was not America First that beat the Nazis. They didn't want to fight the Nazis because, like the Nazis, they were a bunch of racists.
There was a wide movement of pacifism in the United States prior to Dec. 7, 1941 and it had absolutely NOTHING to do with racism. However, both the patriotic pro war side and the patriotic pacifist side had to do with different peoples opinions of what was BEST FOR AMERICA.

I feel sorry for people who see everything that ever happens or any opinion they disagree with as a branch of racism. It's such a narrow minded, sad, myopic view of the world.
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Old 06-30-2017, 03:22 PM   #7486
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There was a wide movement of pacifism in the United States prior to Dec. 7, 1941 and it had absolutely NOTHING to do with racism. However, both the patriotic pro war side and the patriotic pacifist side had to do with different peoples opinions of what was BEST FOR AMERICA.

I feel sorry for people who see everything that ever happens or any opinion they disagree with as a branch of racism. It's such a narrow minded, sad, myopic view of the world.
You asked the qustion did the America First movement defeat the Nazi's.

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Wasn't it America first that beat the Nazis and fascists 70 years ago?
The answer in no the America First movement opposed war with them.
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Old 06-30-2017, 03:27 PM   #7487
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You asked the qustion did the America First movement defeat the Nazi's.


The answer in no the America First movement opposed war with them.
I wasn't talking about the party or movement from the 1930s you ignoramus, I was speaking of the sentiment of putting your countrys interests first (hence the lowercase f). In Canada it would be called Canada first. In Belgium it would be Belgium first. You know, what would be expected from people who lead a country of people.

In the time 1939-1941 there was wide division within the US regarding entry into the war, and it had nothing to do with racism. But both sides believed that either entry or non-entry was 'best for America.'
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Old 06-30-2017, 03:37 PM   #7488
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I wasn't talking about the party or movement from the 1930s you ignoramus, I was speaking of the sentiment.
Oh another kind soul. Well the slogan has a history and its one of appeasement of the Nazi's at best and one of allegiance at worse.

The way you use it makes it and your questions and wonderings meaningless since everyone is American first, so...yeah...
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Old 06-30-2017, 03:56 PM   #7489
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wil will be crying "But we won, we won!" when they're carrying him and his family off to the death camps.

Only someone with the mentality of Nietzsche's slave can take such pleasure from a short term win while disregarding a huge long term loss to the country he purports to love,
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Old 06-30-2017, 04:16 PM   #7490
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Oh another kind soul. Well the slogan has a history and its one of appeasement of the Nazi's at best and one of allegiance at worse.

The way you use it makes it and your questions and wonderings meaningless since everyone is American first, so...yeah...
I wasn't using it as a slogan though, please try and understand me. When I say 'Canada first' or 'America first' or 'Japan first' or 'Mexico first' it is not borrowing a slogan from Charles Lindberg or anyone else. It's a general sentiment, and that sentiment encompasses whatever you think is best for the country, with the caveat that you do what is best for the country FIRST. Those that fought in WWII, against Nazism, (including the black and native troops, which were segregated) were doing what they thought was best for their country, and I'm sure everyone from that time would agree with the sentiment. Ironically, Nazis believed also that they were doing what was best for Germany at the time.

Also, I didn't use the term AmericaN first either. The fact you instantly foam at the mouth at such an innocent comment is quite indicative of your pre-drawn conclusions and more indicative still of the contemporary tendency to tie neat little bows between things where no relation actually exists.

The trend for the better part of the last century has been to move away from nationalism towards globalism, and the sentiment 'America first' means mostly to get away from that trend because it has been a socio-political and economic disaster for millions of people. Millions of others affected by the same consequences of 'globalist policies first' believe in a socialistic framework ala Bernie Sanders and yet millions of others believe that electing a different face with the same status quo will help.

Everyone wants what is best for their family, friends, and country and you're no different in that regard from a Trump supporter, a Bernie supporter, a Stalinist or a neo-nazi. You can disagree with them all, but at least try and understand other peoples points of view because we are all coming from the same place.

The division that is kicked up whenever one side wins an election is despicable to me. We are all in this together, and we should attempt to work together rather than bicker and fight about every stupid little nuanced disagreement we might share.

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Old 06-30-2017, 04:20 PM   #7491
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wil will be crying "But we won, we won!" when they're carrying him and his family off to the death camps.

Only someone with the mentality of Nietzsche's slave can take such pleasure from a short term win while disregarding a huge long term loss to the country he purports to love,
Don't be silly.
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Old 06-30-2017, 04:23 PM   #7492
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I wasn't using it as a slogan though, please try and understand me. When I say 'Canada first' or 'America first' or 'Japan first' or 'Mexico first' it is not borrowing a slogan from Charles Lindberg or anyone else. It's a general sentiment, and that sentiment encompasses whatever you think is best for the country. Those that fought in WWII, against Nazism, (including the black and native troops, which were segregated) were doing what they thought was best for their country, and I'm sure everyone from that time would agree with the sentiment. Also, I didn't use the term AmericaN first either. The fact you instantly foam at the mouth at such an innocent comment is quite indicative of your pre-drawn conclusions and more indicative still of the contemporary tendency to tie neat little bows between things where no relation actually exists.

The trend for the better part of the last century has been to move away from nationalism towards globalism, and the sentiment 'America first' means mostly to get away from that trend because it has been a socio-political and economic disaster for millions of people. Millions of others affected by the same consequences of 'globalist policies first' believe in a socialistic framework ala Bernie Sanders and yet millions of others believe that electing a different face with the same status quo will help.

Everyone wants what is best for their family, friends, and country and you're no different in that regard from a Trump supporter, a Bernie supporter, a Stalinist or a neo-nazi. You can disagree with them all, but at least try and understand other peoples points of view because we are all coming from the same place.
Who cares how you use the phrase? You are wholly and completely irrelevant. We are discussing how the President of the United States and his allies/supporters use it.
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Old 06-30-2017, 04:29 PM   #7493
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Who cares how you use the phrase? You are wholly and completely irrelevant. We are discussing how the President of the United States and his allies/supporters use it.
"The trend for the better part of the last century has been to move away from nationalism towards globalism, and the sentiment 'America first' means mostly to get away from that trend because it has been a socio-political and economic disaster for millions of people. Millions of others affected by the same consequences of 'globalist policies first' believe in a socialistic framework ala Bernie Sanders and yet millions of others believe that electing a different face with the same status quo will help. "

This is how he means it.
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I wasn't using it as a slogan though, please try and understand me. When I say 'Canada first' or 'America first' or 'Japan first' or 'Mexico first' it is not borrowing a slogan from Charles Lindberg or anyone else. It's a general sentiment, and that sentiment encompasses whatever you think is best for the country, with the caveat that you do what is best for the country FIRST. Those that fought in WWII, against Nazism, (including the black and native troops, which were segregated) were doing what they thought was best for their country, and I'm sure everyone from that time would agree with the sentiment. Ironically, Nazis believed also that they were doing what was best for Germany at the time.

Also, I didn't use the term AmericaN first either. The fact you instantly foam at the mouth at such an innocent comment is quite indicative of your pre-drawn conclusions and more indicative still of the contemporary tendency to tie neat little bows between things where no relation actually exists.

The trend for the better part of the last century has been to move away from nationalism towards globalism, and the sentiment 'America first' means mostly to get away from that trend because it has been a socio-political and economic disaster for millions of people. Millions of others affected by the same consequences of 'globalist policies first' believe in a socialistic framework ala Bernie Sanders and yet millions of others believe that electing a different face with the same status quo will help.

Everyone wants what is best for their family, friends, and country and you're no different in that regard from a Trump supporter, a Bernie supporter, a Stalinist or a neo-nazi. You can disagree with them all, but at least try and understand other peoples points of view because we are all coming from the same place.

The division that is kicked up whenever one side wins an election is despicable to me. We are all in this together, and we should attempt to work together rather than bicker and fight about every stupid little nuanced disagreement we might share.
Like i said the way you use it makes it meaningless and your questions about it dumb.


Also your first post was quoting the slogan America First and asking questions about it.

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wil will be crying "But we won, we won!" when they're carrying him and his family off to the death camps.

Only someone with the mentality of Nietzsche's slave can take such pleasure from a short term win while disregarding a huge long term loss to the country he purports to love,
Lol, this isn't even worthy of a response.
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:22 PM   #7496
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Like i said the way you use it makes it meaningless and your questions about it dumb.


Also your first post was quoting the slogan American First and asking questions about it.
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Wasn't it America first that beat the Nazis and fascists 70 years ago?

I wonder how we would have fared vs. them, or the Soviets, had we been so tolerant and inclusive as we are today.
Then the ensuing fun of answering the questions....


Do some of you even read what you and others write?
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Like i said the way you use it makes it meaningless and your questions about it dumb.


Also your first post was quoting the slogan America First and asking questions about it.
Do you have so much ideological concrete in your skull that you can't even tell the subtle differences in written text?

Also, to dispel this nonsense:

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The AFC was established on September 4, 1940, by Yale Law School student R. Douglas Stuart, Jr. (son of R. Douglas Stuart, co-founder of Quaker Oats), along with other students, including future President Gerald Ford, future Peace Corps director Sargent Shriver, and future U.S. Supreme Court justice Potter Stewart.[3] Future President John F. Kennedy contributed $100, along with a note saying "What you all are doing is vital."[4][5] At its peak, America First claimed 800,000 dues-paying members in 450 chapters, located mostly in a 300-mile radius of Chicago.[1]

The AFC gained much of its early strength by merging with the more left-wing Keep America Out of War Committee, whose leaders included Norman Thomas and John T. Flynn.

It claimed 135,000 members in 60 chapters in Illinois, its strongest state.[6] Fundraising drives produced about $370,000 from some 25,000 contributors. Nearly half came from a few millionaires such as William H. Regnery, H. Smith Richardson of the Vick Chemical Company, General Robert E. Wood of Sears-Roebuck, Sterling Morton (1855-1961), secretary of the Morton Salt Company (son of the company's founder, Joy Morton),[7] publisher Joseph M. Patterson (New York Daily News) and his cousin, publisher Robert R. McCormick (Chicago Tribune).

The AFC was never able to get funding for its own public opinion poll. The New York chapter received slightly more than $190,000, most of it from its 47,000 contributors. Since it never had a national membership form or national dues, and local chapters were quite autonomous, historians suggest that the organization's leaders had no idea how many "members" it had.[8]

Serious organizing of the America First Committee took place in Chicago not long after the September 1940 establishment. Chicago was to remain the national headquarters of the committee. To preside over their committee, America First chose General Robert E. Wood, the 61-year-old chairman of Sears, Roebuck and Co. Wood remained at the head of the committee until it was disbanded in the days after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

The America First Committee had its share of prominent businessmen as well as the sympathies of political figures including Democratic Senators Burton K. Wheeler of Montana and David I. Walsh of Massachusetts, Republican Senator Gerald P. Nye of North Dakota, and Socialist Party leader Norman Thomas, with its most prominent spokesman being aviator Charles A. Lindbergh. Other celebrities supporting America First were novelist Sinclair Lewis, poet E. E. Cummings, Washington socialite Alice Roosevelt Longworth, film producer Walt Disney, actress Lillian Gish and architect Frank Lloyd Wright. The many student chapters included future celebrities, such as the author Gore Vidal (as a student at Phillips Exeter Academy), and the future President Gerald Ford, at Yale Law School.[9]
I guess all those men were virulent racists, huh? What a crock.

You're just tying bows between things that don't actually relate to each other because you are an ideologue that read some Salon/Vox articles. Pathetic.


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Charles Lindbergh was admired in Germany and allowed to see the buildup of the German air force, the Luftwaffe, in 1937. He was impressed with its strength and secretly reported his findings to the General Staff of the U.S. Army, warning that the U.S. had fallen behind and must urgently build up its aviation.
What an utter fool you look like now smfh. Better double check your sources next time, huh?

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Do you have so much ideological concrete in your skull that you can't even tell the subtle differences in written text?

Also, to dispel this nonsense:



I guess all those men were virulent racists, huh? What a crock.

You're just tying bows between things that don't actually relate to each other because you are an ideologue that read some Salon/Vox articles. Pathetic.
You are the one going on a bender over this. Sorry i answered your question about the slogan you quoted.

Also never mentioned racism. I said at best they were appeasers of the Nazis and at worst allies. It like most groups had a diversity of ideas.
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mercia frist *spit*
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