You're forgetting that in the land of the free even people as stupid and untalented as PoSwil can earn a decent wage if they lick enough arses, get lucky and work 80 hour weeks into their mid 40s.

I'm assuming post-tax at around 11k. Maybe it should be 12 or 13k, I'm probably taking out too much for taxes.

EDIT: Looks like $12.5k with California state tax rate.

ubi would be a replacement for welfare and have a much wider net

~10k is usually a figure thrown around that the US could afford

I wasn't being nitty about the taxes, I'm just curious why you used 11k. I'm interested in your thought experiment, as I've never gave UBI serious thought. Is approx 10k the number usually proposed? And does everyone get it, or just people who make X amount or less?

As usual, you speak nonsense. Your problem is your dishonesty just becomes so absurd no one with a brain can believe your constant lies. Statistically my income is no where near "decent" and no one believes that kissing ass gets you to that.

Everything you say is idiotic.

Guess what it means when the U stands for Universal, **it for brains.

so you searched my name and found one single post advocating for clinton where I may or may not have been serious. jesus man, that is really pathetic.

Just a reminder this the President Trump thread. Please take your personal attacks elsewere.

I was actually reading the election gameday thread for amusement and it was a coincidence. Trust me I don't search under your name unless it's for a specific reason. I barely read your posts, lol, don't flatter yourself.

And, you were deadly serious.

in usa, welfare does not provide enough to dissuade ppl from working.

see this is what I dont get about you. 125k really isnt amazing. its a decent living and you can be comfortable but you certainly cant just do whatever you want, esp if you have kids.

but really, the republicans are going to go after that income level and raise your taxes the most.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

The way the company he works for is going it won't matter soon.

just to put it out there, this exact poster welshed on a very similar bet to this a few years ago

you gotta link cause welshing on a bet is worse than murder on 2p2

Really?

not going to do it, so dont believe it if u dont want to, but i remember it, was betting on larger W-2 or something with 1 person, then he claimed it wasnt fair because the other person counted bonuses in their w-2 , something along those lines


welsh might be to harsh, someone booked the bet then when it came to pony up he backed out or changed rules


escrow was offered so who cares i guess

The offer stands and the money needs to be escrowed. I'm sure he will decline.

He was warned several times that he going to lose the bet and was given the option of cancelling, but like the pig headed PoS he is, carried on and lost, then started quibbling about terms and single handedly started a countdown hoping to "win on time" lol.

Total douche and all round PoS.

This is true, but I think this might be missing the forest for the trees. It's already very difficult to live on minimum wage. What does it matter to the fast-food worker if, in the hypothetical universe without min. wage laws, they get to keep their jobs but at a wage level that's impossible to live on?

I'm also skeptical that it's actually the case that McDonald's automation plans are driven at all by minimum wage laws, but it's hard to prove. Even without any such laws, there's still some theoretical wage floor that people would be willing to work at in the numbers they need, and I doubt that number competes with automation in the long run.

Leaving aside what the actual amount should be, I do think UBI plans make more sense than minimum wage laws in a future with increased automation, but probably only alongside other significant changes to the way we think about work and the economy.

Think he even declared himslef the winner after his arbitrary countdown.

Was this similar to the argument you had about behavior when having children and pretending you had children but really didn't? Kind of like that or not really?

Lol...no. It was me saying i would not trust betting with you. Even with escrow.

Anything else about attacking my hypothetical (or not) family?

I mean that does not even make sense to break out the family bit there. At least wait until the right time to do your shtick.

if UBI costs = or less to welfare which as the numbers I've seen suggest yes, than I'm all for UBI

its a great system that the left and right both like