yeah you are just a partisan then lol

Common Wil, this is just silly. Really trying to argue that 160 million women being mislead in your opinion about being underpaid is worse than 20-25 million people being blatantly lied to about losing health insurance because 160 million >>> 20-25 million. If you are this determined to "win" the argument on such silly points then afraid this has been a huge waste of time.

I don't think it's silly at all. How many people are uninsured under Obama's plan and how many will be under Trump's? The difference is what we are looking at. How much will it impact them? If you're dirt poor now and don't have insurance i don't know how much worse, if at all, your be under Trump's.

The fact of the matter is people who can pay need access to affordable plans. That may get worse and less people will be covered. That's a shame, but how do we fix it and make everyone happy?

We can't, not in this environment. I accept that because I'm a realist and accept the fact that we have to find a level we can live with. Health care has ALWAYS sucked in America! It's never been good! It's never been good because too many people don't want it the way people like you and me want it. I want it affordable and to cover everyone, up until a certain point in cost. If we can't have that than we have to accept it'll be something less than that.

The difference between me and you is I'm ok with it.

Sorry, to your point, I wasn't just saying it as a numbers game in terms of what people believe and that wins the argument. I do agree that 25 million less insured is a real problem. No, I don't know how to make that better.

The difference between me and you is that while we are both completely capable of logic, you are willing to completely abandon it when it suits your needs.

20-25 million less is estimated to be under insured under Trump's plan than Obama's plan, which is the number you just cited. I won't claim to know the exact number as that would infuriate you, but basic common sense that you can follow is that taking away $800 billion in subsidies will cause alot less people to be uninsured.

Now again, you want to argue about the feasibility of this or that but the bottom line is that he promised healthcare for alot more people that can't afford it, which common sense would require MORE money. Now he is trying to take $800 billion out of the subsidies to give tax cuts directly to the rich. He is not trying to do what he promised and the political system is stopping him as you try to claim. He is trying to do the exact opposite of what he promised and using alot of political efforts to do it.

You can spin, and squirm, and obfuscate, but the bottom line is that this is just an obvious, straight-up, despicable lie.

I agree. Healthcare will not be better under Trump. I agree it was a lie. I accept it.

Blindly going against the majority will always work out well.

That was a dumb promise. You aren't guaranteed to keep your doctor with any insurance.

But it wasn't like the policy was to ensure people didn't get to keep their doctor.

I successfully do something you couldn't.

That doesn't really narrow it down much. Care to give a little more detail?

These types of statements don't make sense at all. When did I ever say to blindly do anything?

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect".

- Mark Twain

"I've looked into it"

Pretty impressive support, someone should have thought to do that a long time ago and avoid all this confusion

I hate to think what it was he was looking into.

So, let's be clear here, you believe women are being paid 77 cents on the dollar for the same work a man does?

Hillary suffering from a really bad case of TDS now. Talk about unhinged.

Boy, lucky we dodged that bullet.

Deflection is easier than having to cope with the reality that people dislike you so much, they'd rather have Trump as president. That's gotta be a large, bitter pill to swallow.

Exactly.

But no-one is buying it. Not even the left.

If she had any self-respect she would shut-up and go away.

I actually feel bad for her. She's such a broken person. Any normal human being would enjoy their family and their grandchildren and have a margarita. Or ten.

She sucks but to be fair she won the popular vote by a big number.

does it really matter if you stack up votes in california and new york when you flip the rust belt the middle finger throughout the election

I think it's nearly impossible to measure with precision, with that said if you think the concept of the good ole boy network doesn't exist then I don't know what to tell u

Trump's promises to deliver high-wage coal mining and manufacturing jobs to the Midwest; how are they working out?

Also, it's funny to watch the right knock "NY and CA" as if they don't count. Combined, these two states alone account for 22.5% of this country's GDP and a similar percentage of our federal tax dollars. If conservative patriots from God-grits-and-guns red states don't see them as "real America", perhaps they should give back the contributions they're sucking off of us.

I was discussion Hillaries claim that she won the popular vote as if that somehow matters. We have a system that attempts to atleast make the President have a wide base of support and to not make the rural irrelevant vs the urban. Hillary stacking up urban votes while ignoring the swing states was a stupid strategy, trump crushed her electorally.

no. the system was designed to protect southern interests, in particular slavery.