The Central Park 5 thing would be enough evidence to condemn literally any other political candidate.

Got it!

I guess it's drinking hours

Do you not understand what quotes mean?

So the 12% disparity wasn't a wage gap? It doesn't matter what your quotes mean (the 12% part wasn't in quotes, so I'm assuming you didn't just make it up), you articulated two separate points in the same post that directly contradicted each other.

I don't agree it disappears. As you've said just the possibility of having kids could be held against a woman. If all women suddenly became infertile, then maybe it would disappear but then we would have bigger problems now wouldn't we? As you say the big issue this highlights is the cost of children and how that burden falls on heavily women. And again, it has other ramifications, like how we treat single mothers and issues like paid family leave. So no, its a big lie, its not a lie at all. Hope you see how you have allowed yourself to take a minor quibble to lead yourself way too far the other way.

Climate change is really bizarre, the R party is one of a handful of parties in the world that gets upset about it. Do you really think they are the geniuses and everyone else is wrong?

Clearly releasing carbon dioxide into the air is bad. The question is just how bad is it and if/when will it lead to existential doom? I don't know exactly how bad it is, but seems pretty clear we should definitely reduce our emissions as much as we reasonably can. Why the **** not? Has lots of other benefits like energy independence, sustainability, cleaner air, cleaner water, etc.

You ask a Trump voter, who says he likes to rely on his intuition, do you think releasing tons of smoke in the air is bad for the Earth? He would say, yes, of course. Ask him, do you think you should preserve the Earth for your children? He would say, yes, of course. But then you get a bunch of Rs nitpicking the science that tries to estimate just how bad it is and lying about jobs, then all of a sudden it becomes a hot button issue.

Talk about a big, big nasty lie. Trump promising to bring the coal mining jobs back. Natural gas is better, cheaper and cleaner, why the hell would coal come back? Talk about building huge resentment and anger, they went all in with this guy, and he was just lying straight to their face with their livelihoods? Instead of just being straight up with them, and saying yeah, all your jobs went to the natural gas industry, its better, so you should get some training for that. Lot of jobs in solar and wind too, looking a hell of alot more promising industry to get into than coal. Maybe give them some assistance in transitioning, which Ds would be all for.

And another big, big nasty lie, is promising better and cheaper healthcare to everyone. Its bad enough to just not deliver on that fake promise. But then to try cut $800 billion in health care subsidies for tax cuts to the wealthy???? That is going to make healthcare better and cheaper? How stupid do you think we are? Downright evil movie villain kind of ****. Already seeing angry and resentment all across the board on that.

Say what you will about liberals, but at least they are generally trying to make things better.

Of course minorities are discriminated against. You agree that they are discriminated against, its just the reasoning why and what to do about it that people argue about. I believe in justice for all, I don't care what ticked off a cop killer or how unjustly he feels blacks have been treated, he should be prosecuted for murder, duh. Really strange to me that the right objects so much to the reverse. I don't care how many bad experiences a cop has with minorities or "thugs" or whatever you want to say, if he murders someone or commits manslaughter then he should be held accountable. Seems pretty simple, but somehow its become a huge controversy. A little bit of justice might help reduce that resentment and anger you were talking about, don't you think?

It's technically correct. It simply is a figure of all men and women and divided it the groups and thats the number being used.

Complete bull****.

More contradictions in the same post. wil is like where for every Donald Trump tweet, he tweeted something 2-3 years ago that is the exact opposite of what he says now, except instead of going back 2-3 years you just read back a few sentences.

I don't understand the point here. I've admitted it *may* be an issue and it should be investigated. You are jumping to conclusions.

I don't go by majority opinion on things. Anyone who lives their life that way is in for some nasty shocks.

As you say, how bad, and at what cost?

The cost means something. If the earth explodes in a year if we don't reduce it then I say stop it all and we can read by candle light, **** it. But we don't know that, and we have no measurable way to determine what will happen. None.
I don't disagree with this entirely. I concede he should have been more careful.
It depends. There is a lot of different opinions. The US doesn't have single payer healthcare and I don't think we ever will. Many people view it as a direct wealth transfer between one group to another. It's not like we couldn't figure it out if we wanted to.

Why should I pay for someone else's healthcare? This is not a personal opinion, I mean it in general. Who should pay for what and why? I have healthcare. So does my family. Why should I pay for you? Should I pay for your housing and food, too? Education? Clothes?

People have a gripe about it and you can't simply dismiss it as them bring evil characters in a movie.

They truly believe they are trying to make things better when they are actually making it worse. I'm Asian, and I can say with a straight face I would be absolutely horrified if liberals treated Asians as they do other minorities. Please, do NOT help us. Leave us the **** alone so we can figure it out on our own. It's the only way to actually achieve success - to do it on your own.

Not enough to stop people from becoming successful. Not at all. Someone cited a study recently that blacks and Asians both had similar call backs when applying to jobs, yet we see very different results. Why?

It depends on the discrimination. Not all discrimination is the same, it's not even in the same universe, really.

There's a price to pay for that. For example, would a crime ridden neighborhood be better served through zero police presence to avoid "discrimination" or the reverse? Without a doubt the reverse would be better.


Absolutely not. If the police all across the country took a month break from policing all minorities, what do you think would happen?

The number of blacks killed by white police officers is incredibly small. It's nothing compared to how many blacks are murdered each year. Look it up.

Do I have to define every single sentence I write, or can I assume people can infer what I meant through the context of the posts?

Do you actually read what I write? Like, it's blatantly obvious what I meant, yet you are trying to twist what I'm saying into something else. Is this really your arguing tactic at this point? To take things out of context?

wil, you believe, at the same time, that hiring women is a risk and yet also somehow believe that women don't suffer for that risk in their salaries at all. It's not a "tactic" beyond the very basic level of looking at the things you post and trying to reconcile them with each other, which is pretty much impossible. There's a term for it.

I believe it can be viewed as a risk, that is my PERSONAL opinion because I've heard it so often while looking into this issue. I do not know if that is considered in the hiring process at companies. I'd be welcome to see the studies.

The fact is women in their late 20s and early 30s are, in general, likely to have babies. That, in general, may negatively impact them. This is not the case across the board and I know many women who have avoided it almost entirely.

I do not see the issue here.

goofy do you think both sex's are completely equal and all manifest differences are from social conditioning?

I am not going claim to know things I cannot possibly know, especially as any inaccuracy from the left makes you go insane. As much as we believe we reasonably can is what we should do. That is literally all the Paris Climate Accord requires and we are free to reassess our opinion of what is reasonable at literally anytime. That seems like a no brainer baseline, pretty extreme to say **** no to that? Right?

Why? To keep telling that lie to coal miners a little longer? To spite liberals? Like I said governing the way you post doesn't seem like a good idea.


Well better and cheaper health care for everyone, which Trump promised, is pretty much single payer. So you are right we don't have that, but that is what he promised. If he said what you just said about taking care of yourself and people still voted for him then that would be one thing. But to promise to help someone with their health and then it turns out you were straight out lying to them and did the EXACT OPPOSITE. Well, that is were the evil movie villain **** comes in. Very, very bad and big lie to tell people, think you would have to admit that.

You asked me if I believed discrimination exists, I said yes, which you agree with. I didn't say I want to help you. All I said was that I believed people were entitled to justice regardless of what motivated their killers. Pretty simple concept and not inclined to believe your bizarre theories on how justice is actually bad for people.

did trump promise single payer or did he promise cheaper and better?

wait wat

Below is what he promised, if you want to be precise. The for everybody, even if you can't pay for it is kinda key:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.426b5365efe0

Despite disagreements on other issues, know wil is honest enough to admit this was a straight up huge lie on an extremely important issue to people and the opposite of what he is doing. Are you?

It depends on the cost and who it impacts the most. If it allows other countries to pollute and hurts us more economically then I'd say it's a justified reason to back out.
Part of it was politics. Politicians need to win over voters and voters need to be felt as if they are catered to. Politicians sometimes create falsehoods in order to achieve that. You pointing out he exaggerated doesn't mean much.

It's not an easy thing to address because there are so many different opinions. Health Care is extremely complicated here due to political will. If we had the political will it'd be a done deal. We'd implement single payer and be done with it. We don't, so we will have a patchwork mess until that changes. Some people will be ok, some won't. That's just what the reality is, and some people accept it. We live in a capitalist economy and it means we will 100% have "poor" people. Sometimes we have to take the bad with the good. I agree healthcare is ****ed up here. I see no way to fix it so everyone is satisfied.

I agree it exists. I do not agree it's a serious problem, and I am suspect of any person in the majority telling a person in the minority how much of an issue the discrimination is. I've faced discrimination, yet nothing has held me back professionally, that I know of. That's all I ask, and all I demand. If you want to make fun of the way I look or what foods I eat, that's your problem, not mine.

Discrimination is not a serious issue in the united States. Period.
People also have a right to live in peace and security, regardless of economic status. Poor people suffer violence from other poor people. That's a bigger issue. But yes, I do agree that in instances where an injustice occurs, it should be addressed.

Wil, I'm afraid you are kind of losing the plot here. When this started you were saying you were very upset that liberals were telling huge, important lies. Now, you are hand waving away huge lies on very important issues like jobs and health as politics. Think you have just been arguing too much on this board, and might be far left now if you had been arguing with a rightist board.

I see what you're getting at but in this case, the chicken definitely came first.

The scope means something. Telling 50% of the people in the county they make 77% of what the other 50% make is a pretty big lie. That impacts 160 million Americans if they believed it. Exaggerating what will happen to the coal industry is a little smaller, in my opinion.

What about telling them you are going to make it so a lot more people get healthcare and then doing the exact opposite? I know it's complicated, that is why it is imperative that a leader have a plan rather than be way worse than a sleazy car salesman on the issue.

were you this angry when obama said you can keep your own doctor?

As far as I can tell it seems like it'll be a negative affect on 20-25 million Americans (healthcare). So that's like, <10%?

Yeah. It sucks, but the whole system sucks. We pay a lot and we get screwed out of it, but we always have. It's never been "good" by any means. No politician can "sell" the idea that we can fix it to everyone's liking. It's simply not possible because many many people just don't give a crap about the uninsured. They just don't care, and I respect their right to not care. When they say "why should I pay for them?" , I have no real answer to that.

It's really a situation where we have to take what we can get. So be it.

Obama tried to back up his words by including a grandfathering provision. Very similar to Trump trying to keep his promise to give everyone insurance by taking away $800 billion subsidies that would directly cause millions to lose insurance.

Wil, this kind of blatant dishonesty in arguments from the right is getting you infuriated, correct?