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06-02-2017 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
goof, I don't think anyone is arguing we should have zero regulation.
Neither me, nor well named, nor Wookie, nor Clovis suggested this was being argued. Speaking of things going over others' heads, you somehow managed to invent a strawman here that nobody ever employed.
06-02-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
You are wrong.

"A study in the June issue of the "Journal of Economic Growth" – authored by John Dawson of Appalachian State University and John Seater of North Carolina State University – estimates that federal regulations have reduced economic growth by about 2 percent per year between 1949 and 2005."

"Another unintended consequence is the stifling of entrepreneurship. Regulations can create barriers to people interested in selling goods or services or starting a small business. For example, 17 states require an individual to earn a license to do hair braiding. To obtain a license in Pennsylvania, you have to train for 300 hours, pass a practical and theoretical exam and then pay a fee. Barriers such as these give consumers fewer choices, and with fewer practitioners offering their services in a particular field, customers may face higher prices."

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...ons-of-dollars

I'm not going to say that there aren't bad regulations, or that sometimes corrupt politicians stick them in place to benefit their own interests, but what are you trying to argue, that there are no good regulations?

Your post was,

"Any regulation that costs the business money hurts growth."
06-02-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Really? The point, it is over your head.




Which direction did life expectancy go under Obama in 2015?





Just because you don't like facts, doesn't mean I have a problem with honesty. Let me get this straight though - scientists can predict to within tenths of a degree the temperature 100 years from now, but we are unable to measure the burdens of regulation as it stares companies in the face? Hrmmmm...interesting logic Leftists seem to subscribe to.


As for solar workers, you don't mean Solyndra, do you?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...llion-solar-p/

Or that Solar City needed a bailout from it's already subsidized cousin at Tesla. Which, the Left is always criticizing millionaires and billionaires - how many Telsas can we sign you guys up to subsidize? Right now it's between $7500 and up to $17K depending on the state - https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives. Those millionaires and billionaires surely need the extra government dough here.

Of course these policies are putting the hurt on the German economy, but we should follow suit, eh? http://fortune.com/2017/03/14/german...-energy-solar/ "Germanyís High-Priced Energy Revolution"
Solar bat signal

374000 Americans work in the solar industry.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmc.../#43bb1d5b2800

Coal, gas and oil generation combined employ 187000.

100000 employed in wind generation as well.
06-02-2017 , 05:29 PM
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"Another unintended consequence is the stifling of entrepreneurship. Regulations can create barriers to people interested in selling goods or services or starting a small business. For example, 17 states require an individual to earn a license to do hair braiding. To obtain a license in Pennsylvania, you have to train for 300 hours, pass a practical and theoretical exam and then pay a fee. Barriers such as these give consumers fewer choices, and with fewer practitioners offering their services in a particular field, customers may face higher prices."
See in this example, the braid license process is a bad thing because the costs of acquiring the license isn't anywhere near proportional to the potential harm that could be done to consumers for getting a ****ty braid job. But while I would imagine very few people actually abide by those laws since it would tend to be a cash business done out of the home, if it did prevent someone new to the biz from catering to the low end braid markets while they were still earning their stripes, you're right, that would be a very costly regulation.

An example of GOOD regulation would be standards boards for education, both because the scope of the transaction is life altering in many cases, and because consumers tend to have a very difficult time estimating the value of the product. We require that they PROVE that they meet some specific standard for quality before letting them call themselves a university, so that hucksters can't prey on the weak and trick them into paying for expensive course modules that add no value to their lives.

Now maybe some would say that trump university was great for the economy. The money they collected cycled through the system several times over... all to perform a giant charade to siphon the money out of peoples pockets. Jobs were created! GDP grew! Why would want to let the government ruin something so beautiful?
06-02-2017 , 08:04 PM
I love the left. Kathy Griffin playing the victim card helps Trump so much and she does that realize it.

Lol I love this. So ****ing funny.
06-02-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I love the left. Kathy Griffin playing the victim card helps Trump so much and she does that realize it.

Lol I love this. So ****ing funny.
Don't know what the hell you are talking about. Most of the left and centrists, which you used to be until the lolz somehow became more important to you than your daughter's future, doesn't like what she is doing and do realize it helps Trump. Snap out of it man.
06-02-2017 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
A couple posts on "regulations" that are relevant to any discussion about them:
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Talking about regulations in the abstract is ~always stupid and concedes points to conservatives that should not be conceded.
So this.

Regulation isn't good or bad. There are good and bad regulations.
I think it is fair to say that that we should prima facie assume that regulations have an economic cost. I don't think we can prima facie assume they have a benefit. So while I do agree with clovis that regulation shouldn't be regarded as bad or good in the abstract, nonetheless we should place the burden of proof on the person proposing the regulation.
06-02-2017 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I love the left. Kathy Griffin playing the victim card helps Trump so much and she does that realize it.

Lol I love this. So ****ing funny.
I thought you were a huge fan of "extreme free speech." Weren't you one of the biggest Milo supporters on this forum until he disappeared?
06-02-2017 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Don't know what the hell you are talking about. Most of the left and centrists, which you used to be until the lolz somehow became more important to you than your daughter's future, doesn't like what she is doing and do realize it helps Trump. Snap out of it man.
I'm not worried in the least bit about my daughter's future. Not in the least. I'm much more worried about my son's. No, that is not a joke.

If you believe that women are paid less than men, I think you are the one who "needs to snap out of it". My wife makes more money than I do. You get what deserve, not what you think you should make.

And I am currently not a centrist. I'm more than willing to go hard right to move the line back to the middle. Trump's going to get a few more supreme Court justices, right? Lol. Kennedy is 81 and Ginsberg is 84. If Democrats don't make serious headway in 2018 and Trump wins in 2020, all is lost for the left for a long, long time.

We shall erase these people. No more. I can't wait to see that happen, and I will be voting accordingly. Straight down the right hand side, baby.

Last edited by wil318466; 06-02-2017 at 09:23 PM.
06-02-2017 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
I thought you were a huge fan of "extreme free speech." Weren't you one of the biggest Milo supporters on this forum until he disappeared?
People get what they deserve. Let the left eat crow and choke on it.

Resist!

Lol.
06-02-2017 , 09:24 PM
What the hell does that mean? Basically, you are for extreme free speech on the right/fascism but against it for liberals?
06-02-2017 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I'm not worried in the least bit about my daughter's future. Not in the least. I'm much more worried about my son's. No, that is not a joke.

If you believe that women are paid less than men, I think you are the one who "needs to snap out of it". My wife makes more money than I do. You get what deserve, not what you think you should make.

And I am currently not a centrist. I'm more than willing to go hard right to move the line back to the middle. Trump's going to get a few more supreme Court justices, right? Lol. If Democrats don't make serious headway in 2018 and Trump wins in 2020, all is lost for the left for a long, long time.

We shall erase these people. No more. I can't wait to see that happen, and I will be voting accordingly. Straight down the right hand side, baby.
What did the leftists do to you again? A bunch of colleges kids going crazy, as has always been the case, has driven you insane?

I do think women are paid a little less than men even when you control for outside factors like pregnancy, but its not a huge issue with me. My sense is that men are viewed as the "breadwinners" in the family so they get some kind of bias in that regard. I'm pretty sure that was the case in the past, but right now, today, I don't really know tbh. Anyway, I think its pretty crazy to put a mentally unstable person in charge based on that issue either way. Why it that issue so important to you? Or do you disagree with the premise that Trump's behavior has been erratic?
06-02-2017 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
What the hell does that mean? Basically, you are for extreme free speech on the right/fascism but against it for liberals?
I hope the monster you people have created turns on you. Yes.
06-02-2017 , 09:28 PM
Well, they do say most women experience sexism first at the home. Before they are old enough to live independently or articulate their oppression. It seems like you are providing a useful education for your daughter in the ways of toxic masculinity!
06-02-2017 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I hope the monster you people have created turns on you. Yes.
What does that mean?
06-02-2017 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
What did the leftists do to you again? A bunch of colleges kids going crazy, as has always been the case, has driven you insane?

I do think women are paid a little less than men even when you control for outside factors like pregnancy, but its not a huge issue with me. My sense is that men are viewed as the "breadwinners" in the family so they get some kind of bias in that regard. I'm pretty sure that was the case in the past, but right now, today, I don't really know tbh. Anyway, I think its pretty crazy to put a mentally unstable person in charge based on that issue either way. Why it that so issue important to you? Or do you disagree with the premise that Trump's behavior has been erratic?
I don't think he's insane at all. What, exactly, has been insane that he's done?

Yes, college kids are alarming me. They are willing to throw away the most basic, important things we have as a society. They are violent racists, and they need to go.
06-02-2017 , 09:33 PM
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Yes, college kids are alarming me. They are willing to throw away the most basic, important things we have as a society. They are violent racists, and they need to go.
What are you talking about?
06-02-2017 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Well, they do say most women experience sexism first at the home. Before they are old enough to live independently or articulate their oppression. It seems like you are providing a useful education for your daughter in the ways of toxic masculinity!
Not in my home. She has a mother that is highly successful and a father who will support her in whatever she chooses.

You keep making those assumptions though!
06-02-2017 , 09:34 PM
I'm not making assumptions, I'm going off of words you posted just minutes ago.

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I'm not worried in the least bit about my daughter's future. Not in the least. I'm much more worried about my son's. No, that is not a joke.
06-02-2017 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
I'm not making assumptions, I'm going off of words you posted just minutes ago.
And that's the truth. What's the issue, and where is "oppression" involved in what I said?

I won't be raising victims in my house. Good luck with yours!
06-02-2017 , 09:39 PM
The truth is the gender wage gap is real. Legitimate data scientists tell us so. You are gaslighting by trying to tell us that something that's demonstrably true isn't true. Are you gaslighting members of your own family too? When she grows up she will be able to do basic google searches and see that you were wrong about so many things. Are you worried that she won't trust you when she realizes you harbor so much toxic masculinity and false thinking when she grows up?
06-02-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
The truth is the gender wage gap is real. Legitimate data scientists tell us so. You are gaslighting by trying to tell us that something that's demonstrably true isn't true. Are you gaslighting members of your own family too? When she grows up she will be able to do basic google searches and see that you were wrong about so many things. Are you worried that she won't trust you when she realizes you harbor so much toxic masculinity and false thinking when she grows up?
Absolutely not. She'll be almost assuredly given a liberal education, and will be untaught much of it along the way.

The gender wage Gap is not real, and legitimate evidence tells us so. Believe what you wish. Good luck.

Btw, Obama's adminstration had a 12% "wage Gap". Lol.
06-02-2017 , 09:48 PM
Well since I know you don't want to impart false wisdom to your daughter, let me correct you on the facts there:

Here’s What The Gender Pay Gap Looks Like By Income Level
https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/...-income-level/
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Tuesday, April 14, is the 19th annual Equal Pay Day. The day is a symbolic representation of the gender pay gap: The average woman would have had to work all last year and into April this year to earn as much as the average man did in 2014 alone. But speaking in averages isn’t always the best way to understand the wage gap. Factors such as race, education and workweek hours can drastically widen (and narrow) the difference between men’s and women’s pay.

For example, the Economic Policy Institute, a left-leaning nonprofit think tank, looked at the hourly wages for men and women across income percentiles and found that at every decile, men outearned women in 2014. The gap is largest at the 95th percentile, with women earning only 79 percent of what men earn in the same income level.1 The narrowing of the wage gap for low-income earners is largely due to the minimum wage, which is the same for men and women. But the lowest-wage occupations remain disproportionately female.

Happy Unequal Pay Day, ladies.
06-02-2017 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I don't think he's insane at all. What, exactly, has been insane that he's done?

Yes, college kids are alarming me. They are willing to throw away the most basic, important things we have as a society. They are violent racists, and they need to go.
Do you actually know any college kids? If so, then you should realize pretty quickly that you are being sold some bunk horror stories based on the bad apples. Most don't even know about all these new cist words the right has been freaking out about, much less spontaneously combust on you for saying the wrong thing.

Even granting your premise, that would just mean their are violent racists on both sides. So why go far right to the violent racists on one side?

To give a non-political issue in which he harmed himself, the way the Comey firing went down seems like a pretty extreme lack of impulse control. Now has a special investigator as a result which is going to be a huge pain in the ass for him and his family for years.

And really, I think the spiteful thought process that you have bragged about on this board, goes into all his thoughts. Have you really not seen that in him? He seems to have that trait much more than even you. That may okay for an internet poster, but surely you must realize that is no way to make decisions for the country?
06-02-2017 , 09:49 PM
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Btw, Obama's adminstration had a 12% "wage Gap". Lol.
So you think Obama should have paid men and women equally?

      
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