If even Fox News takes the liberal side you can be pretty ****ing sure you (and mongi) are wrong. LOL fake news Sushy still looking for a W on Gianforte punching a reporter

Just stop. You've lost this battle....LMBFBO!

Let Me Butt **** Barack Obama?

Go ahead!

Lots of news from the last week or two to catch up on that, shockingly, hasn't been covered in this thread at all:



Only one party views truth and investigation as the enemy.

This is by far your most tolerant post itf. Keep it up!

You can say all you want about Trump, but do not attack my boy Newt.

Thank you?

Newt is complete slime.

Man, I was out of touch while overseas - apparently white supremacists stabbed 3 people to death in the last week, including an Army lieutenant? Why hasn't this thread kept me updated on this domestic terrorism? Why isn't Trump speaking out about it?

Better yet, why have all the loud conservative voices on social media - Ann Coulter, Ben Shapiro, John Podhoretz, Paul Joseph Watson, Steven Crowder, and the like - gone mute about the Portland double homicide after spending 48 straight hours ranting about Muslims post-Manchester?

Bill Clinton had sex with a 22 year old intern up in the White House. Obama was blowing up innocent civilians by remote control drone, one of whom was an American citizen born in this country. Does civility apply to the young? How old was Wieners victim?

Maybe civilian drone strikes and sex with the underage or very young isn't vulgar enough in your view.

Wasn't there a statue made of Trump in which he was depicted naked with a tiny member? Maybe you could say those weren't democrats who so depicted him, but it went along with the general theme of roasting Trump at every opportunity in the most vulgar ways possible.

Neither major party has any political program that anyone in the majority wants. That's why they both limit campaigns to insults or entertainment as much as possible.

And he never got elected again after that story came out.

And he never got elected again after that story came out.

I'm unaware of any of these people running for office, let alone getting elected, but more telling here is - why the **** would you, a supposed liberal (lol), equate vulgar depictions of Trump with bragging about sexual assault and actual physical assault on a reporter???

Jesus Deuces, don't bother posting if you don't understand what the point is.

Deuces gradually shifting to pro-Trumpism was the easiest call ever. It's his natural home.

Deuces you know Trump has had access to the real files about WTC7 for like 5 months now, right?

You would have voted for Bill Clinton again given the opportuntiy.

I thought your point was republicans alone were responsible for removing civility from politics. My point is that the vulgarities of the democrats should not be ignored. Our system promotes people of low character on both sides, necessarily. That's a consequence of a deliberate choice to foist upon us a politics which distracts from the planned lack of democracy and instead on insults and entertainment. I see a lack of civility in both republicans and democrats.

Republicans are far more likely to be physically threatening and to be actually violent, but that's only one form of being uncivil. I think the problem of incivility is much broader and deeper. Since you used the pussy grabber comments of Trump I thought it was fair to bring up the Clinton vulgarities. Both were done behind closed doors outside a campaign. Both reveal the character of these people. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily criticize a guy for getting some on the side. I have no idea what his marriage is like and have no interest in enforcing monogamy among adults. However, the power dynamic between a 49 year old president and a 22 year old intern precludes any sort of acceptable sexual relationship- that was way worse than a pussy grab comment.

Clinton had credible charges of rape leveled against him. If people like you can't look at both Trump and the Clinton's and ask "Who the **** ARE these people?" then we have no chance of avoiding the massive ills on deck.

Our politics extends far beyond the actual candidates. The principle thought leaders among the mainstream democrats appear to be thinly educated comedians like Bill Maher, John Stewart, Seth Meyers, Trevor Noah, John Oliver, Stephen Corbet, SNL, etc. Those are the ones everyone is listening to. Do you consider them to be civil to republicans? What about The Young Turks?

Civil?

Hillary Clinton and democratic candidates having the poise and self control of Chuck-E-Cheese muppetrons (while in public at least) doesn't determine the relative levels of civility in our politics.

I'm objective about Trump and the electorate- just ask let'sgambool. Oh, wait, nevermind.

I'm anti-Trump, ant-mainstream democrats, and anti-hypocrisy. My home is with the progressives, with the labor movement, with the environmental movement, with the liberation movements. I just can't see why we can't model ourselves after the happier, seemingly sustainable social democracies. It's not like what I advocate is pie-in-the-sky theoretical optimism. There are plenty of really existing examples. Where is your home?

You think you're at home with the democrats but it's really a trap. Considering how technology has raised the stakes on the environment and nuclear war it's something of a death trap actually. The democratic party is enabling more than socially destabilizing economic inequality. It's environmental and foreign policies lead straight to disaster, perhaps not as fast as republican policies, perhaps a more scenic route to destruction, but it's the same destination navigated by corporate control.

Why is it so hard for people to admit that they have been duped? You've been duped, Fly. Face the fact. It doesn't make you a sucker. We've all fallen for it. Does that really have to mean you have to keep falling for it? Just to save face?

Real files regarding what? Evaluations of evidence that was never collected or evaluated?

There are very likely no "real files". The truth movement seeks a criminal, forensic investigation into the collapses because there never was one and one is needed. How can you not get that by now? Say, for example, you believe in baseless assertion in criminal investigations, or that prejudice and intuition are perfectly capable instruments of justice. You think that AQ acted alone because "OMG it's soooo obvious because the government asserted it". Even then, wouldn't you still be able to understand the simple position of others and argue from that understanding?

lol

The timing is amazing tho. Like, he hops on to the Trump Train at this juncture?

Man, it's super weird that someone who self-id's as "anti-Trump" is still nursing this grievance.

No. If that was the point then I wouldn't have gone at length to specifically talk about conduct during campaigns before elections.

My point is that Republicans alone are responsible for the current change in our country wherein one no longer has to even pretend to be a good person while campaigning to get elected. Look at how the last ~year has gone and tell me - do you think Democrats are going to go up on stage and say "when they go low, we go high" ever again? "Going high" is now a losing campaign move in America, and punching reporters or bragging about sexual assault (you keep calling these just "vulgar comments", Deuces, when he kind of admitted to being a sexual predator - a bit weird for a super liberal dude like you, did you sell your account to HastenDan?) no longer appears to be disqualifying to the electorate.

Which party took us to this place, Deuces?

I like that going forward politicians should be encouraged to show who they really are instead of pretending to be the good people they clearly are not (on both sides). Hopefully this extends to the rest of the world as well. Need more transparency.

Maybe it struck a tiny nerve.