Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > > >

Politics version 7.0 more politics.

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-19-2017, 06:34 AM   #5426
AllCowsEatGrass
banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 1,840
Re: President Trump

I'm down for the appalled by racism pride parade
AllCowsEatGrass is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 07:14 AM   #5427
wil318466
banned
 
wil318466's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 19,155
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by David Sklansky View Post
If you are a middle class person of reasonable intelligence and are capable of feeling guilt, it sometimes bothers you if you didn't become a cancer researcher, part of Doctors without Borders or at least a registered nurse, an inventor or a teacher or something of that nature. To alleviate some of that guilt you take special pride in how appalled you are by racism. That goes away if racism goes away.
Hold up DS. Which kind of middle class person, specifically?
wil318466 is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 07:17 AM   #5428
adios
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Russian Troll
Posts: 22,423
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by samsonh View Post
Not sure if serious. But every website available disagrees with you. Google is your friend.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fede...utions_Act_tax
Quote:
Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) tax (/ˈfaɪkə/) is a United States federal payroll (or employment) tax[1] imposed on both employees and employers to fund Social Security and Medicare[2]—federal programs that provide benefits for retirees, disabled people, and children of deceased workers.

The tax also provides funds to the health care system for institutions that provide healthcare for workers that do not have health insurance and cannot afford healthcare treatment. Social Security benefits include old-age, survivors, and disability insurance (OASDI); Medicare provides hospital insurance benefits for the elderly. The amount that one pays in payroll taxes throughout one's working career is associated indirectly with the social security benefits annuity that one receives as a retiree.[3] This has caused some to claim that the payroll tax is not a tax because its collection is tied to a benefit.[4] The United States Supreme Court decided in Flemming v. Nestor (1960) that no one has an accrued property right to benefits from Social Security. The Federal Insurance Contributions Act is currently codified at Title 26, Subtitle C, Chapter 21 of the United States Code.[5]
Does the money go into trust funds or not to fund Medicare and Social Security?
Yep.

You become eligible for Medicare at age 65 and not before or not?
Yep

Are Medicare benefits payed from a trust fund or not?
Yep.

Do you become eligible for Social Security (SS) at age 62 and not before or not?
Yep if not disabled.

Is the amount you are paid in SS benefits based on how much you contribute in FICA over your lifetime and when you start collecting?
Yep.

Are SS benefits payed from the trust fund that your FICA was paid into?
Yep.
Deferred Compensation
Quote:
Deferred compensation is an arrangement in which a portion of an employee's income is paid out at a later date after which the income was earned. Examples of deferred compensation include pensions, retirement plans, and employee stock options. The primary benefit of most deferred compensation is the deferral of tax to the date(s) at which the employee receives the income.
So let me get this straight, Medicare and Social Security benefits are paid from trust funds that people make ontributions to via FICA in the course of their lifetimes. SS benefits are based on how much they payed in FICA over the course of their life times. You are claiming that none of this is true?

Tax
Quote:
A tax (from the Latin taxo) is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state to fund various public expenditures.[1] A failure to pay, or evasion of or resistance to taxation, is usually punishable by law. Taxes consist of direct or indirect taxes and may be paid in money or as its labour equivalent. Most countries have a tax system in place to pay for public/common/agreed national needs and government functions: some levy a flat percentage rate of taxation on personal annual income, some on a scale based on annual income amounts, and some countries impose almost no taxation at all, or a very low tax rate for a certain area of taxation. Some countries charge a tax both on corporate income and dividends; this is often referred to as double taxation as the individual shareholder(s) receiving this payment from the company will also be levied some tax on that personal income.
Your argument that FICA is equivalent to an income tax is ridiculous. The accounting is actually simple. People pay a portion of their current income in FICA to fund their health benefits and derive income at retirement based on how much was deferred over the course of their lifetimes. Revenue derived from FICA goes to trust funds that are managed. The assets of the trust funds are used to pay benefits based on what was payed via FICA. Please cite the sources that state otherwise. If you doubt any of this just refer to the government websites.
adios is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 09:18 AM   #5429
microbet
Solar Powered
 
microbet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 54,424
Re: President Trump

Wil,

Isn't the problem with the right when our right wing potus brings over his islamofascist buddy from Turkey and his secret police to beat up old men and young women who were completely peacefully demonstrating for democracy and freedom?
microbet is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 10:02 AM   #5430
samsonh
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Belmont Alum
Posts: 3,524
Thumbs down Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by adios View Post
Does the money go into trust funds or not to fund Medicare and Social Security?
Yep.

You become eligible for Medicare at age 65 and not before or not?
Yep

Are Medicare benefits payed from a trust fund or not?
Yep.

Do you become eligible for Social Security (SS) at age 62 and not before or not?
Yep if not disabled.

Is the amount you are paid in SS benefits based on how much you contribute in FICA over your lifetime and when you start collecting?
Yep.

Are SS benefits payed from the trust fund that your FICA was paid into?
Yep.
Deferred Compensation
So let me get this straight, Medicare and Social Security benefits are paid from trust funds that people make ontributions to via FICA in the course of their lifetimes. SS benefits are based on how much they payed in FICA over the course of their life times. You are claiming that none of this is true?

Tax
Your argument that FICA is equivalent to an income tax is ridiculous. The accounting is actually simple. People pay a portion of their current income in FICA to fund their health benefits and derive income at retirement based on how much was deferred over the course of their lifetimes. Revenue derived from FICA goes to trust funds that are managed. The assets of the trust funds are used to pay benefits based on what was payed via FICA. Please cite the sources that state otherwise. If you doubt any of this just refer to the government websites.
Plz quote where I called it an income tax! You said it wasn't a tax, which the article YOU cite says it is! You are defeating your own arguments adios. Making this too easy.
samsonh is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 11:29 AM   #5431
wil318466
banned
 
wil318466's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 19,155
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet View Post
Wil,

Isn't the problem with the right when our right wing potus brings over his islamofascist buddy from Turkey and his secret police to beat up old men and young women who were completely peacefully demonstrating for democracy and freedom?
I just couldn't imagine the left faking hate crimes, rioting, burning, attacking, and shutting down speeches. Never.

Wtf you smoking?
wil318466 is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 11:33 AM   #5432
13ball
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
13ball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: No Quarter is a Sandy Hook Truther
Posts: 12,925
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by David Sklansky View Post
If you are a middle class person of reasonable intelligence and are capable of feeling guilt, it sometimes bothers you if you didn't become a cancer researcher, part of Doctors without Borders or at least a registered nurse, an inventor or a teacher or something of that nature. To alleviate some of that guilt you take special pride in how appalled you are by racism. That goes away if racism goes away.
This seems like total nonsense. I question every assumption you make here, and everything is an assumption.
13ball is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 11:46 AM   #5433
microbet
Solar Powered
 
microbet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 54,424
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by wil318466 View Post
I just couldn't imagine the left faking hate crimes, rioting, burning, attacking, and shutting down speeches. Never.

Wtf you smoking?
So you are accepting Erdogan and his security as part of your right wing coalition. You fell in line pretty quickly.
microbet is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 11:50 AM   #5434
manbearpuig
banned
 
manbearpuig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 920
Re: President Trump

Funny how America voted for a black guy twice and the elections weren't about race. The last election was between two of the whitest people in the world and that election is all about race.
manbearpuig is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 11:57 AM   #5435
FlyWf
It's the other way
 
FlyWf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: [ ] REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE
Posts: 58,099
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by David Sklansky View Post
If you are a middle class person of reasonable intelligence and are capable of feeling guilt, it sometimes bothers you if you didn't become a cancer researcher, part of Doctors without Borders or at least a registered nurse, an inventor or a teacher or something of that nature. To alleviate some of that guilt you take special pride in how appalled you are by racism. That goes away if racism goes away.
David racism is bad. So I'm appalled by it because it's bad. I want it to go away.


It is extremely telling what sort of media ecosystem you live in that you made this post. I know the liberals tend to write at that 9th-11th grade reading level, though.
FlyWf is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:00 PM   #5436
wil318466
banned
 
wil318466's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 19,155
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet View Post
So you are accepting Erdogan and his security as part of your right wing coalition. You fell in line pretty quickly.
Erdogan is scum and I fully expect war to break out.

That answer your question?
wil318466 is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:02 PM   #5437
wil318466
banned
 
wil318466's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 19,155
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWf View Post
David racism is bad. So I'm appalled by it because it's bad. I want it to go away.


It is extremely telling what sort of media ecosystem you live in that you made this post. I know the liberals tend to write at that 9th-11th grade reading level, though.
You respond to a "bad" post with "racism is bad".

Lol
wil318466 is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:03 PM   #5438
microbet
Solar Powered
 
microbet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 54,424
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by wil318466 View Post
Erdogan is scum and I fully expect war to break out.

That answer your question?
Between who and who? Which side do you expect Trump to be on?
microbet is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:11 PM   #5439
wil318466
banned
 
wil318466's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 19,155
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet View Post
Between who and who? Which side do you expect Trump to be on?
I'm not sure. There's no telling what middle eastern politics leads us into. Someone is our enemy one day and neutral the next. Turkey is bombing the kurds, and we are arming them? Iran fights ISIS yet they are our enemy. Israel quietly helps Iran. Flip a coin with Assad. He stays, we bomb him.

The entire situation is absurd, but no matter what happens erdogan is a scumbag.
wil318466 is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:13 PM   #5440
microbet
Solar Powered
 
microbet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 54,424
Re: President Trump

I'll check the tape, but back when you couldn't imagine Trump being friends with Erdogan I think you were pretty sure Trump was going to take a hard line against Turkey. Now? Who knew the middle east was so complicated?
microbet is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:15 PM   #5441
microbet
Solar Powered
 
microbet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 54,424
Re: President Trump

Btw, what don't you like about Erdogan?
microbet is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:16 PM   #5442
13ball
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
13ball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: No Quarter is a Sandy Hook Truther
Posts: 12,925
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by manbearpuig View Post
Funny how America voted for a black guy twice and the elections weren't about race. The last election was between two of the whitest people in the world and that election is all about race.
Did you just wake up from a coma? Trump became popular because of his racist policies and statements. So, yes, it was partially about race.
13ball is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:25 PM   #5443
goofyballer
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
goofyballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 70,901
Re: President Trump

"Imagine how right wingers would feel if ______ Trump scandal took place under Obama" is always a fun game, but boy does it go off the charts w/ Erdogan's thugs beating up protesters on American soil. What an embarrassment, Trump can't even enact his "America first" platform in America, let alone around the world. Sad!
goofyballer is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:25 PM   #5444
wil318466
banned
 
wil318466's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 19,155
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet View Post
I'll check the tape, but back when you couldn't imagine Trump being friends with Erdogan I think you were pretty sure Trump was going to take a hard line against Turkey. Now? Who knew the middle east was so complicated?
What are you even talking about? Did I ever speak well about erdogan? He's awful and a direct threat to turkey. I feel bad for all of the citizens of turkey, allowing a religious crackpot like him taking over a "secular" Muslim country.

That being said turkey is a NATO country, who had "fair" elections. What did you expect Trump to do to a leader of a country of we are in a direct military alliance with?

Do YOU know what the situation is in Turkey, as you are trying to imply I have no idea what's going on over there?
wil318466 is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:29 PM   #5445
wil318466
banned
 
wil318466's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 19,155
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by 13ball View Post
Did you just wake up from a coma? Trump became popular because of his racist policies and statements. So, yes, it was partially about race.
Lol at this. It was about race? You think white Democrats in the rust belt switched sides because of race? You think the state of Florida voted for Trump due to race?

Haha. It's amazing that even after all this time after the election you still have no idea why she lost. Utterly amazing.
wil318466 is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:30 PM   #5446
microbet
Solar Powered
 
microbet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 54,424
Re: President Trump

Wil,

I don't think you have any idea what's going on here and now let alone in Turkey. I didn't say anything at all about you speaking well of Turkey. I said that you had previously thought Trump would be anti-Erdogan. Then you avoided the subject for a long time after the meeting was announced. Now you seem to feel it's just complicated and you can understand why Trump might be friendly with a NATO country or some such evasive bull****.
microbet is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:32 PM   #5447
bahbahmickey
temp-banned
 
bahbahmickey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: UTG-3
Posts: 13,319
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by wil318466 View Post
I just couldn't imagine the left faking hate crimes, rioting, burning, attacking, and shutting down speeches. Never.
The right needs their own Noam Chomsky to say that the democratic party is the most dangerous organization in the history of the world because of the reasons you mention. Our Noam also needs to be senile, to be loosely considered an expert in some topics but to be un-qualified to speak as an expert on the things we have him talk about and to have a fairly long history of quotes attributted to him that are stupid.
bahbahmickey is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:33 PM   #5448
microbet
Solar Powered
 
microbet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 54,424
Re: President Trump

Btw, I don't take you seriously at all. Wil is a textbook case of the kind of trolling the right does which Einbert posted about a thousand times or so.
microbet is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:36 PM   #5449
wil318466
banned
 
wil318466's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 19,155
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet View Post
Wil,

I don't think you have any idea what's going on here and now let alone in Turkey. I didn't say anything at all about you speaking well of Turkey. I said that you had previously thought Trump would be anti-Erdogan. Then you avoided the subject for a long time after the meeting was announced. Now you seem to feel it's just complicated and you can understand why Trump might be friendly with a NATO country or some such evasive bull****.
I think I have a much better handle on how everything works than you do. By a long shot.

As far as avoiding the topic, I never avoided a thing. Erdogan cheated to win the election, turkey will go backwards, guaranteed. There is a good reason why religion needs to be separated from the state, and I fear Turkey is doomed.

Again, I fully expect war to break out eventually, and them to leave NATO. We shall see.
wil318466 is offline  
Old 05-19-2017, 12:38 PM   #5450
wil318466
banned
 
wil318466's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 19,155
Re: President Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet View Post
Btw, I don't take you seriously at all. Wil is a textbook case of the kind of trolling the right does which Einbert posted about a thousand times or so.
We are on the same page. I don't think you have any single idea of what you are talking about, in anything. Your ignorance is stunning, actually.

But hey, good luck to you dude. Maybe one day you'll enter the real world with people who can see things for what they are.
wil318466 is offline  

 
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:02 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive