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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
When someone agrees that repubs are "trying to steal money" from others I don't know how else to it but to think they believe repubs are trying to take money from the poor or that the poor deserve all the benefits they receive from the rich and anything less is "stealing".
It means they believe that Republicans are advocating policies that unjustly **** over the poor in order to benefit the rich; not that they are literally stealing money from the poor.
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
This is not a semantics issue.
It is, because everyone agrees and realizes that what I wrote above is what is meant by "Republicans stealing from the poor", not that they are literally taking their money. I mean, I agree people could benefit from not using unspecific language but at the same time everyone should be able to realize this.
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Higher taxes on the rich is taking money from the rich.
Reducing how much we take from the rich (as many repubs want to do) is not taking money from the poor - that is money that is not theirs.
No, it isn't, and here's why:
You seem to have this view whereby:
person has X dollars
person makes Y dollars (i.e. through a sale, salary, etc.)
AND THEN
government takes % of Y dollars from person
But it would be more accurate to view it as:
person has X dollars
on sale, salary, etc. of Y dollars, person gets some % of Y dollars, the gov't gets the remaining %
simultaneously
Raising taxes on high incomes is no more "taking money from the rich" than lowering them is "taking money from the poor". Like I said, if someone proposes a wealth tax then we can come back to this point.
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I am confused on how you believe what you wrote in that post so here is an analogy that I hope helps:
If in the last 3 Christmases you have received an avg. of 10 presents from your parents, but your dad lost his job and your parents decided to only give you 5 presents this year you wouldn't say your parents were taking money/presents from you. However, if the woman that took your dad's job had 5 presents stolen from the back of her we could correctly say money/presents were taken from her.
Hmm right but what if for the last 3 Christmases your parents bought 10 presents but had to give 1 to the government, but now they have to give 2 to the government ?