Juan makes the most relevant point in that all this Russia hysteria is based on nothing. If there was anything to reveal it would have been revealed by now.

Can someone tell me what a smoking gun would look like here? You open a news website and you read a headline "Trump Campaign Officials Indicted in Russia Probe". What sort of thing do you think would be the content under that headline?

Or complete this sentence: The Trump campaign wanted to beat Hillary Clinton in the election so they helped Russia to denigrate Hillary with her own words by _______?

Now, about whatever you dreamed up to fill in, ask yourself if it could ever be proved. He maybe offered them sanction relief if they hacked some Hillary Clinton emails? Doesn't seem like a fair trade at all and would be all but impossible to prove.

I think Trump might have chomped down on some bait here. They say it isn't the crime but the cover up.

Probably discussion of the timing of information releases and their content. Could be intimation of how relations will improve, especially sanction relief.

But regardless, at this point obstruction of justice may be the thing.

This is some weird logic from a truther.

Any collusion can be proved in a lot of ways: phone calls, emails, documents, witnesses.You never know what Flynn might say or have.

From the letter Trump wrote firing Comey:

Okay, so just following AG and DAG's recommendations. But wait!

Trump in an interview today: He was going to fire Comey no matter what

LOL. Time for another edition of "what's worse, if Trump is lying or if he's telling the truth?" Either...
- he's telling the truth, and in the letter firing Comey he pinned it all on the DAG's recommendation (which didn't actually recommend firing Comey, it should be noted) rather than take any responsibility himself for the decision he says he was going to make anyway, or...
- he's lying, like he always does, to...I don't even know why, look like less of a chicken****?

Well, it would have been rather difficult for Obama to make deals with Khomeini, as mongidig suggested, since Khomeini died in 1989 when Obama was still a postgrad student at Harvard Law School.

LOL.

I mean it's not using a personal email to get work related emails but it seems like this could be troubling?

Well that changes everything. Good catch!

What is your opinion on Trump?

I'm more of an agnostic. You're more of a truther, believing in a pretty wild 911 conspiracy theory which is not established by anything but mere belief.

You are describing a fishing expedition as if it was a totally legitimate tactic. You see, that is the danger of hysteria.

It's quite possible I am missing something, but wouldn't Russia want Trump elected regardless of any exchange, in order to weaken the country and because his rhetoric was better for them than Hillary's? Why would Trump have to deal with them on that matter? And how? By now everyone should know that major powers attempting to influence elections in other countries is standard statecraft. Is the danger that Trump's team actively recruited Russians to hack people (who they were already trying to hack most likely)? because they are such great hackers? Or that the Trump campaign supplied intelligence which they had (over and above what Russia has) by virtue of being political insiders, like they knew which cab Podesta was going to leave his cell phone lolol.

Are you hysterical people even aware that Wikileaks has denied Russian involvement?

Take a step back from your partisan ******ation. You've got republicans claiming Comey deserved to be fired now after months of riding his dick. You've got democrats pretending to be in an uproar over the firing of someone who they all wished would drop dead just a few months ago.

They. Are. All. Liars.

Wikileaks has always told the truth. And if Wikileaks (who hate Trump more than you do) was going to lie they would say Russia did give them the leaks in order to feed the hysteria and take Trump down. So not only do you have evidence of Trump conspiring with Russians, but you also have no conceivable arrangement in which this would happen NOR any proof that Russia was the supplier of the leaks in the first place. Leaks, mind you, which were nothing but authentic revelations about people who were huge favorites to run your country.

She sold the state department for personal gain. Even in the extremely lax corruption laws of the U.S. that is a crime. In addition, the emails show DIRECT EVIDENCE of her moral depravity and her deep cynicism regarding the people of this country.

The Clinton emails and the allegations against her vs. the evidence against Trump and the allegations against him seem like good comparison points. So what's the evidence against Trump? We know some elite pigs were hacked. We know some members of Trump's campaign had some contact with some Russians. Is that it?

Moral depravity and deep cynicism aren't crimes. They're common traits amongst politicians.

They are also traits that someone who believes the government killed 3,000 American citizens and who constantly harangues people who don't share that belief MAY have a glass house situation regarding.

But again, that's just Deuces making **** up, what moral depravity did the emails reveal from Hillary?

I'm not a fan of Trump. I prefer the Republican platform. I think all politicians are corrupt which is why it is ridiculous to single out Trump for being a liar. I think the left is dangerous and is corrupting our world. What seems to be support for Trump is more about my disdain for the left.

Hmm okay. Can you explain a bit how the left is corrupting us?

Also, would you prefer Pence to Trump? It seems like yes reading the above.

they are corrupting us by trying to provide health care for citizens rather than bankrupting them with medical bills and then killing them when they run out of money. protection for consumers and investors. protection for the environment. safety nets for the less advantaged, ie not letting our citizens starve or live on the streets.

they are corrupting us by pushing for equality, civil rights, human rights, and justice.

corrupting us by promoting actual democracy where all votes count equally and everyone has the same opportunity to vote.

the republican platform is literally in opposition for every single one of the issues I just mentioned. they are evil and their supporters are scumbags.

I'm confused. How is this corrupting us?

Really? mogidig, is this true?

You have to read the post as satire. The stramanning and resorting to tribalism that was so brilliantly portrayed in that post are pretty strong corrupting forces.

TheMadcap,

Sorry, I don't really get it. I'm assuming you disagree with him. Can you expand on your point?

I think the folks on the left have a different morality level than on the right. I accept people whom are different than myself ,but I do not like having their values jammed down myself or my families throat. The PC culture is doing just that. For this reason I don't think I can go into specifics for fear of offending somebody.

I suppose I prefer Pence over Trump.

Victor has chosen a side. He clearly believes that his side is more correct than the other side but, instead of arguing honestly, in that post he deliberately mischaracterized the opposing side to make them look bad.

It's an intellectually lazy thing a lot of people do to feel self righteous. (People on both sides of the aisle do it obviously)

It's polarizing and is a major reason why political discussion is impossible so much of the time.

Do you think you could try to go into specifics? I realize you feel handcuffed by the rules here, and I understand that. The problem from my end is that the above sounds perfectly fine but it's a bit hard to understand what you mean without specific examples. Who is imposing values on you and what are those values?

If this is true, would you support efforts from the left to get Trump out of office, since this would most likely result in a President Pence? If not, why not?


Ah okay, that's fair. Do you think you could provide a more fair characterization of your side? (I'm assuming from the wording of your post that you consider yourself to be on the opposite side compared to Victor, but if not true that's fine.)

In order for me to go into specifics I will need everyone to put their ear muffs on and ask Chez to close his eyes.

I don't think Trump is enjoying this as much as he thought he would. I suspect he will not run again in 2020. I think it's funny how hard the left has worked to bad mouth him so he loses the reelection and it's not gonna be him running. Unfortunately this spells doom for the Democrats.

I don't think Trump needs to be removed, I think he needs to be more supported.

Protection for investors? Obama re-wrote bankruptcy laws to **** over investors. Liberals have been supporting the Fed artificially creating a low interest rate environment which punishes savers/investors.

If you really think the majority of investors prefer liberal policies over conservatives policies you need your head checked.