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05-07-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
There's my point. Whats the difference between what Obama did and what Trump did. Do you really think Trumps call was about being buddy buddy with Erdegon? Of course no. It's about diplomacy in a highly volital region.
The call was completely unnecessary. You may not know the reason for the vote. The best excuse for Trump is that he didn't know the reason either and he just thought that Erdogan won an election. He still shouldn't call Erdogan under that circumstance, but it could be excused as just a routine thing.

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Originally Posted by mongidig
I''ve told you a million times don't exagerate!
I know that's tongue in cheek, but it's no exaggeration. 17 million people are described as having "severe food insecurity" in Yemen by the UN. The threat of widespread famine is very real. 90% of the food imports into Yemen come through Hodeidah.
05-07-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The call was completely unnecessary. You may not know the reason for the vote. The best excuse for Trump is that he didn't know the reason either and he just thought that Erdogan won an election. He still shouldn't call Erdogan under that circumstance, but it could be excused as just a routine thing.



I know that's tongue in cheek, but it's no exaggeration. 17 million people are described as having "severe food insecurity" in Yemen by the UN. The threat of widespread famine is very real. 90% of the food imports into Yemen come through Hodeidah.
I see what you're saying.
05-07-2017 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Ironically, Hitler wasn't dead at the time. We was already in a sub headed to Argentina. He actually died in the 70's in small shack in the wilderness.
What?
05-07-2017 , 05:28 PM
I'm actually going to be the one here to give mongidig the benefit of doubt and suggest that he was kidding about Hitler in Argentina.

05-08-2017 , 02:37 PM
On the French election, this time Trump-related: Trump is not quite Nostradamus

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The US president told the Associated Press that although he was not “explicitly endorsing” the leader of the Front National, she was the “strongest on borders, and she’s the strongest on what’s been going on in France.”

“Whoever is the toughest on radical Islamic terrorism, and whoever is the toughest at the borders, will do well in the election,” he said.

...
Earlier on Friday, Trump had tweeted about the attack’s potential impact on the vote, writing: “Another terrorist attack in Paris. The people of France will not take much more of this. Will have a big effect on presidential election!”
Actual result:



Macron 66, Le Pen 34, a total beatdown that was even bigger than polls predicted.
05-08-2017 , 02:42 PM


Trump is mad because of this story: Obama warned Trump about hiring Mike Flynn and Trump ignored him

Bonus lamestream media bias:

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In a second Twitter message, Mr. Trump added: “Ask Sally Yates, under oath, if she knows how classified information got into the newspapers soon after she explained it to W.H. Counsel.” An early version of the message misspelled “counsel.”
Ouch, NYT, is it really necessary to kick a man while he's down?
05-08-2017 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Although Ireland was officially neutral, many Irish people did volunteer to fight alongside the Allies.

De Valera's position was more of a somewhat self-important statesman observing what he thought was unimpeachable protocol.
More Irishmen volunteered to fight for the Crown during the Second World War, against their government's wishes, than ever volunteered for the IRA in its entire history from 1919 to 1997.

De Valera, of course, was a former IRA leader.

During the Second World War, the IRA was an integrated intelligence branch of the Nazi SS and reported to an SS officer at the German embassy in Dublin. During the Nazi firestorm raids on Belfast in the autumn of 1940, IRA agents reported to the SS each day, telling them which areas of the city had been hit the night before, so that the Luftwaffe could always inflict fresh damage and not waste their bombs on already devastated areas.

The IRA, the cause to which de Valera gave his life, did this to their own country in the interests of the fascist enemy.

On the death of Adolf Hitler in May 1945, de Valera put on his black frock coat and his silk top hat and paid a formal courtesy call on the embassy of the Third Reich to ensure that he was the first person to sign the condolence book and to demonstate his sympathy and solidarity with Adolf Hitler and all he stood for. There was no diplomatic reason to do this, since the government represented by the Third Reich embassy had effectively ceased to exist. De Valera did it because he wanted to.

After the war, de Valera imposed what is known in Ireland as 'the starvation order.' Any Irishman who had volunteered for the Crown was to be denied all employment and all government benefits, by law, for ever. And the Irish Republic, to its everlasting shame, carried out this order.

There is no doubt at all whose side de Valera and his Irish-nationalist groupies were on. Irish 'neutrality' in the Second World War was merely a figleaf to stop the RAF bombing Dublin. That's all.
05-08-2017 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Ironically, Hitler wasn't dead at the time. We was already in a sub headed to Argentina.
Gosh. You must be getting on a bit by now, Herr Obergruppenfuhrer.
05-08-2017 , 06:41 PM
Not one of the ~40 economists polled by the University of Chicago School of Business believe the Trump administration's claim that his tax cuts can pay for themselves via increased economic activity

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Besides Judd and Holmström, another 35 economists said that the tax cuts would not finance themselves, and five more did not answer the question.

In total, there is not one economist in the Chicago poll who believes that Trump's cuts would pay for themselves, suggesting his administration might not be able to deliver on a crucial promise.
05-08-2017 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
On the French election, this time Trump-related: Trump is not quite Nostradamus



Actual result:



Macron 66, Le Pen 34, a total beatdown that was even bigger than polls predicted.
Macron should print this out and hand it out to any and all American dignitaries he meets.
05-09-2017 , 12:43 AM
Trump's second nominee for Secretary of the Army withdraws himself from consideration, just like the first one

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Mark E. Green, President Trump’s second nominee to be secretary of the Army, withdrew from consideration on Friday, saying in a statement that his nomination had become a distraction because of “false and misleading attacks against me.”

Mr. Green, a Tennessee state senator who was an Army flight surgeon, has criticized federal attempts to bar discrimination against gay, bisexual and transgender people in workplaces and businesses.
The best people
05-09-2017 , 12:49 AM
Trump calls media reports of his bad phone call with the Australian PM "fake news" on the same day he later admits their call was "testy"

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“We had a very, very good call. That was a little bit of fake news,” Trump said, blaming the media for misrepresenting the call.

Hours later, after Trump took to the stage to deliver remarks at the gala, he opened with a little confession.

“Now the record is straight … all of those people back there,” he said, referring to the media. “We had a very nice phone call. A little testy. It got a little bit testy, but that’s okay.”
Much like Sushy, Trump has no idea what "fake news" actually means
05-09-2017 , 12:51 AM
If you want some actual fake news, here's Trump disseminating some: Trump claims wounded troops weren't allowed to get religious items while recovering, which never actually happened

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“These were great, great people. These are great soldiers,” Trump said, speaking Thursday in the Rose Garden. “They wanted those items. They were precluded from getting them.”

If Trump was referring to the Walter Reed case, it is untrue that troops actually were “precluded” from receiving religious items because of the memo. The policy was never enforced and was quickly overturned in December 2011 after it was brought to the attention of the conservative Family Research Council, which in turn notified several members of Congress.

The hospital released a statement upon rescinding the policy that said that religious materials “have always been and will remain available for patient use” at Walter Reed.
05-09-2017 , 03:08 AM
LOL this is the intellectual cream of the GOP crop right here.


https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/861690460213059586
05-09-2017 , 03:14 AM
Excellent point here by Chris Hayes. Consider the Fox News-Right Wing media bubble and how many posters in this thread won't even have even idea about the Kushner-China story. Pretty shocking if you think about it.


https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...75793645936641
05-09-2017 , 02:18 PM
South Korea rejects Trump's hostility towards North Korea and elects a liberal, Moon Jae-in, as president

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Mr. Moon has argued that Washington’s reliance on sanctions and “maximum pressure” has been ineffective and that it is time to give engagement and dialogue with the North another chance, an approach favored by China. He has also called for a review of the Pentagon’s deployment of an antimissile defense system in South Korea that the Chinese government has denounced.

Mr. Moon’s position on North Korea is a sharp departure from that of his two immediate predecessors, conservatives who tended to view anything less than strict enforcement of sanctions against the North as ideologically suspect.
05-09-2017 , 02:37 PM
Oh, and while I'm at it... the day after Taoiseach (Prime Minister) de Valera's infamous visit to the German embassy in Dublin, which caused massive outrage in the American press, the President of Ireland himself, Douglas Hyde, sent his secretary to make a similar visit to express condolence to the German ambassador on the death of Adolf Hitler.

Then, later that day, Hyde paid a visit to the German ambassador's home in Blackrock to offer his condolences in person. That visit remained a state secret until the year 2005. Clearly it had nothing to with public show or diplomatic protocols. It was to do with personal sympathies. The leaders of neutral Sweden and Switzerland paid no such visits. The only other neutral countries whose leaders observed such courtesies were Salazar's Portugal and Franco's Spain -- both of them fascist dictatorships.

At that time, both de Valera and Hyde had seen the pictures from Belsen and Dachau and were aware of the Nazi death-camp system, the same as everyone else.

The US ambassador to Ireland, David Gray, later wrote that de Valera had expected Germany to win the war and was content that that should be so.

The blacklist of Irishmen who had fought against the Nazis was bound into a book, called the 'starvation book,' as thick as a telephone directory (and thus containing far more than the 5,000 names of Irish Army deserters -- in total almost 70,000 Irishmen had fought for the Crown). The 'starvation book' remained in circulation in the Irish civil service until the 1990s. Officially, the 'starvation order' only affected Irish Army deserters and only lasted seven years. In fact, it affected anyone known to have fought against the Nazis for the rest of their lives. They were blacklisted and could not gain employment or draw a pension.

As for Irish Army deserters who fought *for* the Nazis -- and there were some -- they faced no problem at all. They were welcomed home and everything was fine.

Not until 2013 did the Irish Republic formally pardon the 5,000 Irish Army deserters officially affected by the 'starvation order', which included men posthumously court-martialled and convicted after having been killed in action with the RAF over Germany or with the British Army on the beaches of Normandy and beyond, with severe implications for their families. At that time, Irish defence minister Alan Shatter stated that 'Irish neutrality was a principle of moral bankruptcy.' He can say that again, any time he likes.

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05-09-2017 , 08:20 PM
James Comey fired by the President. This is good for our country.
05-09-2017 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
James Comey fired by the President. This is good for our country.
In your own words, why do you think so?
05-09-2017 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
In your own words, why do you think so?
Comey had lost the trust of all Americans both on the left and the right. This gives us a chance to hire a good conservative FBI director who will not bring partisan politics into his job performance.
05-09-2017 , 08:56 PM
Astroturfers itt
05-09-2017 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
This gives us a chance to hire a good conservative FBI director who will not bring partisan politics into his job performance.
You contradicted yourself in an incredibly short span here.

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Originally Posted by mongidig
Comey had lost the trust of all Americans both on the left and the right.
Why doesn't Comey have the trust of the right? Jeff Sessions, the man who the White House tasked with coming up with reasons to fire Comey, has said that Comey's announcements about the Hillary investigation (ostensibly the reason given by the deputy AG for his firing) were necessary. Trump himself said Comey should stay on for six more years after his term started.

So, uh, what changed?
05-09-2017 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
You contradicted yourself in an incredibly short span here.



Why doesn't Comey have the trust of the right? Jeff Sessions, the man who the White House tasked with coming up with reasons to fire Comey, has said that Comey's announcements about the Hillary investigation (ostensibly the reason given by the deputy AG for his firing) were necessary. Trump himself said Comey should stay on for six more years after his term started.

So, uh, what changed?
What Comey did to Hillary was horrible and never should have happened. Now we have the orange cheeto as President.
05-09-2017 , 09:31 PM
Also given mongi's point about installing a conservative replacement...it's like he has no idea Comey is a Republican.
05-09-2017 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
What Comey did to Hillary was horrible and never should have happened. Now we have the orange cheeto as President.
You didn't answer the question. What changed?

      
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