Interesting that you bring up gallstones.

A gallbladder in need of removal is not considered a medical emergency until it bursts, so the uninsured don't get the surgery. But they keep going to the ER when they have a flare-up--then get discharged with pain meds and dietary advice.

Now, I've had a non-functioning gallbladder that required surgery. The pain was pretty bad and there is no way that someone with a physically demanding job could work with that kind of pain. Stepping off the curb felt like my insides were being torn apart.

So how is someone supposed to get out of that situation. Hard to save money for a surgery when your condition makes it difficult to work. Just hope your gallbladder bursts and it doesn't kill you. When that's your best option, the system ****ing sucks.

Essentially all hospitals must provide care. Look at stocks of hospital operators such as cyh, lpnt, thc, qhc. These guys will provide lots of unreimbursed care and the DSH payments will not nearly make up for it.

The burden of that cost falls to those who are insured and the local and state taxpayer. A huge portion of the burden will fall in rural areas(see hospitals above). The average GOP voter just got screwed and doesn't realize it. But freedom!!!

The health care system is clearly not ideal. The real problem is related to the consequences of being poor. Even if these folks have insuranse there are barriers to maintaining good health. Many of these people have 9-5 jobs which make it difficult to schedule doctor appointments. If they do get time off they use this time to schedule appointments for their children. In many cases, they can't afford the copays and deductibles. They also can't afford to take time off from work since they live check to check. Many people don't have good transportation. It's gotta be tough

I know people who have been in pain and worked through it knowing they possibly had something seriously wrong.

I agree the the system sucks.

More or less yes.

In which thread do we LOL Le Pen? This one seems closest since she is Trump's Euro BFF.

EU gonna keep giving Wil sleepless nights :<

Any more geopolitical predictions? We shall see.

Lets keep the discussion focused on President Trump in this thread please.

Please feel free to start a separate Sean Le Penn thread.

Trump called Erdogan to congratulate him on becoming a dictator. Let's see if he calls Macron or if he just gives a consolation call to Le Pen.

Even if he does he still has some way to go to compete with the message of condolences sent from de Valera to the German people on the news of the death of Hitler.

Now the troubles come to the thread.

Hardly. I thought people here might find that as interesting and as shocking as I did when I first heard it.

You guys are uptight about Trump calling Erdogan but ok with Obama making deals with Castro and Khomeini?

Do you wanna talk about it?

I guess. I've always been under the impression that there was a fair amount of Nazi support in Ireland before and during the war.

Although Ireland was officially neutral, many Irish people did volunteer to fight alongside the Allies.

De Valera's position was more of a somewhat self-important statesman observing what he thought was unimpeachable protocol.

Yeah, deals? Deals? Wtf, you don't think we should have agreements with countries we don't like? Lol.

Being besties with Saudi Arabia would have been a lot better example. But this wasn't a deal or an election. Trump was not just recognizing a government or change in head of state, he was applauding the diminution of democracy. Do you even know what the vote in Turkey was for?

Cuba deal: sanctions have been bad for exactly one party, the Cuban people; they have not been effective at deterring the Castro regime and cutting off relations and flights was never productive
Iran deal: brings Iran out of international isolation, sets back their nuclear program, reduces the potential for a devastating military conflict across the Middle East

Trump calling Erdogan: fill in the blanks mongi, tell us why it's a good thing Trump is congratulating someone on winning an election that turns them into a dictator?

I know there were many Irish allies too and that the reason for their ambivalence was about conflict with England and not love of Hitler.

In the Trump taking bad Obama policies and making them worse department, the attack on Hodeidah, Yemen seems imminent and will make massive deaths from famine and disease inevitable. It could kill millions of people.

There's my point. Whats the difference between what Obama did and what Trump did. Do you really think Trumps call was about being buddy buddy with Erdegon? Of course no. It's about diplomacy in a highly volital region.

I''ve told you a million times don't exagerate!

Like, all of it. Trump calling Erdogan is not in any way similar to Obama dealing with Cuba or Iran. We just have to keep explaining things to you like we would to a child because that's the level of knowledge you possess.

"all of it"? That's your explanation?

If you dont understand something it's ok to admit it.

Ironically, Hitler wasn't dead at the time. We was already in a sub headed to Argentina. He actually died in the 70's in small shack in the wilderness.

You should probably make sure you've read all recent posts in a thread before you post something this dumb

Were you with him?

Trust you to swallow a conspiracy theory hook, line and sinker.