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Old 04-13-2017, 11:36 PM   #4301
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Why don't you look up the definition of murder and then come back and appologize for this discusting post.

Have a little respect for those who perished under the regimes of the likes of Hitler and Stalin.
Trump launched a half-assed raid on an almost entirely civilian village in Yemen so he could bask in the support of his legions of cretins. He's guilty of the murder of the US serviceman as well as the 8 year old girl and the rest of the civilians. So, no apology.

His plans for Yemen may result in hundreds of thousands of deaths. If that happens, he'll rank below Hitler or Stalin, but as I said he'll make the list of vile war criminals.
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Old 04-13-2017, 11:41 PM   #4302
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Trump launched a half-assed raid on an almost entirely civilian village in Yemen so he could bask in the support of his legions of cretins. He's guilty of the murder of the US serviceman as well as the 8 year old girl and the rest of the civilians. So, no apology.

His plans for Yemen may result in hundreds of thousands of deaths. If that happens, he'll rank below Hitler or Stalin, but as I said he'll make the list of vile war criminals.
It certainly sounds like he is well on his way to becoming the next Hitler or Stalin...NOT!

Do you people actually read what you write?
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Old 04-13-2017, 11:55 PM   #4303
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It certainly sounds like he is well on his way to becoming the next Hitler or Stalin...NOT!

Do you people actually read what you write?
17 million Yemeni are at risk of famine right now and the Trump admin is talking about attacking the port that brings in most of the food imports.
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:35 AM   #4304
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How bout the war & famine stuff in Africa? Anybody heRd bout that?
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:39 AM   #4305
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"His attempt to destabilize the region...and root out ISIS". These clowns are so desperate they have to cherry pick parts of quotes to try to make the President look bad. This is why I usually skip over Einbert and Goofyballer spams.

How do you like your President now boy's? Lol!
The vast majority of my posts have nothing to do with cherry picking anything and are about the blatantly and obviously stupid things the president does. I'll be happy to refresh you on some of those if you need assistance. If you want to talk about pathetic posting attempts, how about your victory lap above about Brian Terry's killer (I have never heard of Brian Terry) while you act like Trump just got bin Laden? lol
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Old 04-14-2017, 01:20 PM   #4306
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Trump launched a half-assed raid on an almost entirely civilian village in Yemen so he could bask in the support of his legions of cretins. He's guilty of the murder of the US serviceman as well as the 8 year old girl and the rest of the civilians. So, no apology.

His plans for Yemen may result in hundreds of thousands of deaths. If that happens, he'll rank below Hitler or Stalin, but as I said he'll make the list of vile war criminals.
I'm confused, because there will sometimes be civilian casualties when we kill terrorists. Are you saying all civilian casualties are murder? I'm pretty sure you're not saying U.S. civilian casualties is murder but not foreign civilian casualties, so I won't even go there.

Or, are you saying this particular terrorist target was not important enough, so in trying to kill them we have to avoid all civilian casualties to avoid murder.
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Old 04-14-2017, 01:37 PM   #4307
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Trump ending WH policy of releasing visitor logs, citing "grave national security risks and privacy concerns"

The swamp is filling up bigger than ever. Can't wait for conservative morons to accept this unquestioningly. Who knew that Obama was brutally endangering national security by releasing them???
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Old 04-14-2017, 01:48 PM   #4308
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Trump administration halts rule trying to limit chemicals like arsenic, mercury, and lead from polluting rivers

Or, as Scott Pruitt puts it:

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This action is another example of EPA implementing President Trump’s vision of being good stewards of our natural resources, while not developing regulations that hurt our economy and kill jobs,” Pruitt said in a statement.
In related news, Pruitt said today he wants the US to withdraw from the Paris climate accord. After all, who gives a **** about our grandchildren having a habitable planet to live on when there's money to be made today?

I think this is what mongidig refers to via the years-old and completely dead Charlie Sheen meme "winning".
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:49 PM   #4309
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A guest on Charlie Rose said Trump is making Kissinger-like moves, balancing between Russia and China.
Here is my own transcription (errors my own).

David Ignatius of the Washington Post said on Charlie Rose on 4/12/2017:

"I am struck by the way in which DT is doing what Henry Kissinger prided himself in doing, which is playing the triangular relationship of the U.S., China and Russia, playing off the two super power rivals. Seeking advantage. Leaning one way and then another. That is classic Kissinger balance of power diplomacy. And, oddly enough, the most inexperienced president in my lifetime, seems to be doing a little bit of that."

So a Washington Post guy (presumably a lib, the last sentence tends to prove this), David Ignatius, thinks Trump is doing a Kissinger-like dance of diplomacy, balancing between China and Russia with sophistication and skill reminiscent of Kissinger.

Rose and Ignatius then discussed whether Kissinger himself is talking with Jared Kushner. So, it is possible that Trump is taking cues from the man himself. If so, great. That would only show wisdom in taking cues from wisdom.

All that to say, it seems like Trump is engaging in masterful foreign policy.
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:57 PM   #4310
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All that to say, it seems like Trump is engaging in masterful foreign policy.
As Trump told the ever-liberal Wall Street Journal:

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Trump told The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday that he was previously convinced China had "tremendous power" over North Korea. But after meeting with Xi last week, Trump said he "realized it's not so easy."

"After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy,” Trump said. “I felt pretty strongly that [China] had a tremendous power over North Korea. But it’s not what you would think.”
ITT conservatives laud a foreign policy whose doctrine is based on not knowing jack **** about the world, can't make this stuff up
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:02 PM   #4311
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Masterful.
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:02 PM   #4312
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"not knowing jack **** about the world," you say.

It seems like a stretch to take Trump's statements that way. He learns.

You think it's a fault to admit that you learned from talking to the actual ruler of China?
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:04 PM   #4313
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NYT on Trump's many recent reversals today, including this one:

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For President Trump, the road to changing his mind on China included a discussion with corporate executives in the State Dining Room of the White House in February. When the conversation turned to China’s currency, the executives had a simple message for the president: You’re wrong.

Mr. Trump had long insisted that China was devaluing its currency and should be punished, but the executives pushed back and told him Beijing had actually stopped. And while Mr. Trump at first resisted — as late as this month calling the Chinese “world champions” of currency manipulation — after many talks like the one in February he reversed himself
, declaring this week that “they’re not currency manipulators” after all.
"Masterful" foreign policy ITT
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:05 PM   #4314
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You think it's a fault to admit that you learned from talking to the actual ruler of China?
I think it's a pretty ****ing big obstacle to calling his foreign policy "masterful", given that a truly "masterful" foreign policy might involve actually knowing **** about the things you're doing, which Trump clearly does not.
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:08 PM   #4315
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Re: President Trump

This accompanying compilation to the above article has his actual quotes on several issues it discusses. Syria:

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May 29, 2013
“Syria is NOT our problem.”
Twitter post

Sept. 5, 2013
“Do NOT attack Syria, fix U.S.A.”
Twitter post

Oct. 9, 2016
“I don’t like Assad at all, but Assad is killing ISIS, Russia is killing ISIS, and Iran is killing ISIS.”
Presidential debate

Oct. 26, 2016
“What we should do is focus on ISIS. We should not be focusing on Syria.”
Interview with Reuters

April 6, 2017
“Tonight I ordered a targeted military strike on the airfield in Syria from where the chemical attack was launched. … I call on all civilized nations to join us in seeking to end the slaughter and bloodshed in Syria.”
Televised remarks
"Masterful"
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:10 PM   #4316
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Jan. 16, 2017
“I said a long time ago that NATO had problems. Number one, it was obsolete, because it was designed many, many years ago.”
Joint interview with the Times of London and the German newspaper Bild

April 12, 2017
“I said it was obsolete. It’s no longer obsolete.”
News conference at the White House
"Masterful"
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:10 PM   #4317
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5 minutes with Dennis Rodman, and Trump and Kim Jong Il will be sipping soju together calling this a big misunderstanding.
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:17 PM   #4318
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Separate from FP but sticking with the theme, of Trump's flip-flops, LOL people who voted for change cause they were angry: Trump backs off fiscal pledges and adopts centrist policies he once fought

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Trump will not label China a “currency manipulator,” he told the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday, despite a campaign pledge that he would apply the label on his first day in office. He also said he was open to reappointing Federal Reserve Board Chair Janet L. Yellen after saying last year that the central banker should be “ashamed” of what she was doing to the country.

And he embraced the Export-Import Bank, a government agency that he mocked last year and that has long been despised by conservatives who labeled it crony capitalism.
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:02 PM   #4319
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What do you think of Ignatius's comments that Trump's maneuvering has been Kissinger-like?
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:08 PM   #4320
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Re this:

May 29, 2013
“Syria is NOT our problem.”
Twitter post

Sept. 5, 2013
“Do NOT attack Syria, fix U.S.A.”
Twitter post

Oct. 9, 2016
“I don’t like Assad at all, but Assad is killing ISIS, Russia is killing ISIS, and Iran is killing ISIS.”
Presidential debate

Oct. 26, 2016
“What we should do is focus on ISIS. We should not be focusing on Syria.”
Interview with Reuters

April 6, 2017
“Tonight I ordered a targeted military strike on the airfield in Syria from where the chemical attack was launched. … I call on all civilized nations to join us in seeking to end the slaughter and bloodshed in Syria.”
Televised remarks

(1) So Trump can learn and change his position. That's a problem?
(2) I don't think he ever said anything about not punishing Assad for using chemical weapons, so it does not appear this is a flip flop on this issue.
(3) He speaks in language for public consumption. It bothers me, a conservative, how dumb his language sometimes sounds. But that is in no way contradictory of a masterful policy. Having good advisors is one of the main contributions to having a masterful policy.
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:15 PM   #4321
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I don't have strong feelings about his comments, as even his comments don't indicate any strong feelings on his part. You are the one who extrapolated them into something vastly greater. It's kinda hilarious that Ignatius is like "it seems like Trump is doing a little of the power balance thing" (inside he's probably like "but really, none of us have any ****ing clue what he's thinking") and you're like "WAOW, MASTERFUL", disregarding all available evidence that Trump knows little to nothing about the intricacies of world diplomacy.
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:21 PM   #4322
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(1) So Trump can learn and change his position. That's a problem?
Go read this post again

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(2) I don't think he ever said anything about not punishing Assad for using chemical weapons
Jesus WTF? Go look at the Sep 5 2013 quote. Do you know what happened around that date? This is some Sean Spicer "even Hitler never used chemical weapons" **** - "not punishing Assad for using chemical weapons" is, in fact, EXACTLY what the 2013 Trump quotes on Syria are advocating. The NYT went easy on him in their collection, this article has a more complete log of Trump's Syria thoughts when the US was thinking of bombing them after the 2013 chemical attack. It's EXACTLY THAT.
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:31 PM   #4323
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"I am struck by the way in which DT is doing what Henry Kissinger prided himself in doing, which is playing the triangular relationship of the U.S., China and Russia, playing off the two super power rivals. Seeking advantage. Leaning one way and then another. That is classic Kissinger balance of power diplomacy. And, oddly enough, the most inexperienced president in my lifetime, seems to be doing a little bit of that."
My emphasis added to Ignatius's direct quote.

Then, what you call it...

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...Ignatius is like "it seems like Trump is doing a little of the power balance thing"
And your extrapolation...

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(inside he's probably like "but really, none of us have any ****ing clue what he's thinking") and you're like "WAOW, MASTERFUL", disregarding all available evidence that Trump knows little to nothing about the intricacies of world diplomacy.
I think Ingatius's quoted view is closer to "masterful" than "doing a little of the balance of power."

Regardless, if we stick with Ingatius, and neither you nor I extrapolate, then we still have Kissinger-like foreign policy. So, we should at least be hearing, wow, Trump is doing well. Maybe that's a pleasant surprise to some, but it is doing well.
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:41 PM   #4324
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Then, what you call it...
That is not "what I call it", that is nearly verbatim what Ignatius said. From your own quote:

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And, oddly enough, the most inexperienced president in my lifetime, seems to be doing a little bit of that.
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Regardless, if we stick with Ingatius, and neither you nor I extrapolate, then we still have Kissinger-like foreign policy. So, we should at least be hearing, wow, Trump is doing well. Maybe that's a pleasant surprise to some, but it is doing well.
The problem is that if Trump doesn't actually know **** (and he doesn't), then the "Kissinger-like foreign policy" take is looking at results and not methods, and there's no reason to expect those results to continue into the future if the leader of the United States doesn't know **** (and he doesn't).

Furthermore, tensions with North Korea right now are, uh, not looking so great.
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:44 PM   #4325
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OK, I guess we can agree to disagree on Trump's foreign policy re China and Russia.

I also think the idea that Trump doesn't know anything is very wrong, but we will have to wait and see. As I said, I believe he dumbs down his speech for public consumption. Maybe he's done that all his life. Maybe it's all of his speech. That does not make him dumb.
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