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03-22-2017 , 04:46 PM
The guideline on tweeting, linking etc has been slightly modified but the general idea remains the same. Can I remind everyone that:

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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Tweets, videos, links, pictures etc are generally welcome in the Content threads when relevant but please avoid using them excessively or repetitively. Posters should not usually have to follow links or watch videos to have some idea of the contents or reason for the post so please provide some argument or explanation. Posts that fall outside this guideline may be deleted without consideration of the content.
03-22-2017 , 04:49 PM
But what will the spammer do if you make him actually think before writing a post??
03-22-2017 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I don't know how many people have gone to these type of rallies or whatever they are, but we are talking about hundreds of thousands, aren't we? I'm not sure the attendance or how many there have been but the video made it seem like there have been a lot of them.
There are enough of them that printing and selling misogynistic t-shirts is a profitable enterprise. So I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

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If that is the case why are we talking about one guy who thinks/like to joke around about Michelle being a transvestite?

Trump’s New York Co-Chair Says Michelle Obama Is A Man Who Should Live In Africa With Gorillas

Just a terrible coincidence that Trump's NY co-chair thinks the same thing, right? What bad luck!
03-22-2017 , 07:43 PM
AHCA amendment would allow states to take new moms off Medicaid if not employed 60 days after giving birth

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The worst provision in the manager’s amendment is a Medicaid work requirement that would allow states to revoke Medicaid coverage from new mothers who haven’t found a job within two months after giving birth. Medicaid currently offers essential resources for low-income women and their children, including screenings for postpartum depression, in-home educational visits, and check-ups, all of which help babies survive and mothers thrive. Forcing women to job hunt in the weeks immediately following her baby’s delivery—a crucial period for infant care and physical recovery—would be both shockingly cruel and counterproductive as public health policy. Even if Republicans don’t believe that every person deserves basic health care, regardless of income, they should recognize that the government has an interest in keeping children healthy. Healthy children become good students, responsible citizens, and productive workers. Cutting off health benefits from a mother in the first several weeks of her infant’s life sets both the mother and the infant up for a cascading set of impediments to physical and financial health.
I don't usually post things from Slate but in this case you can read the amendment they're talking about here, on pages 5 and 6. Single moms are exempted (can't be taken off medicaid if you're the only parent or caretaker in the family) but otherwise, back to work you go, find someone else to take care of your 2 month old!
03-22-2017 , 10:31 PM

https://twitter.com/brianefallon/sta...03456136974337
03-22-2017 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
Interesting points. Something to definitely think about.
Not really. The basic point that they haven't found a non-democratic candidate to endorse for president over the last 60 years remains.

There's an obvious liberal bias that some people just don't want to see.
03-22-2017 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
Fair enough. I think the news section is also slightly skewed, but i don't really mind it.

I get my news from multiple sources in order to get all angles, and it's often interesting to see how the same story gets spun 5 different ways.
What is the last NYT news article you read that was slightly skewed? Can you please link it and point out the parts that were liberally-skewed?
03-23-2017 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
well ya. I mean this has been true for months if not years.
Sure but I don't think some of these dudes have seen this show yet.
03-23-2017 , 04:48 AM
Well, now, this is the whitest thing I've ever read in this forum.

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Originally Posted by Black Peter
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Reagan did a lot of scummy things, but in 1984, he was a proven president. He made Americans proud to be American again after two decades of war and economic failures. The change from 1980 to 1984 was one of the biggest in our nation's history. Mondale was unproven, and even though he might have had a better personal philosophy than Reagan, he was not the better candidate for America in 1984. And the centrist voters made that very clear at the ballot box.
03-23-2017 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Well, now, this is the whitest thing I've ever read in this forum.
Judging something black or white, instead of good or bad, seems awfully racist.

One of the biggest mysteries in the forum is how did you get pooh bah status?
03-23-2017 , 06:10 AM
House Intel Chair: Trump was surveilled by Obama administration

This is the biggest story in a while, why isn't the press covering this enough, but instead hiding behind some unsubstantiated russophobic claims?

All people who were saying Trump was lying, could you please apologize and never ask for his resignation/inmpeachment again on your false claims? Straight from 00:00:

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03-23-2017 , 09:03 AM
Kyp -the sort of claims you made in that last post (now deleted) would require some very credible quotes to even be considered as acceptable.

Also Tommy Robinson is not some authority on anything, represents nobody and it's just hateful rhetoric rather than anything that might be allowed here Not at all keen on that person 'interviewing' him either.
03-23-2017 , 09:39 AM
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All people who were saying Trump was lying, could you please apologize and never ask for his resignation/inmpeachment again on your false claims?
Trump said he was wiretapped at Trump Tower. Even if the allegations of "incidental surveillance" are true, this doesn't vindicate Trump in any way. Trump people apparently talked to other people who were under surveillance. And, of course, Obama didn't order nay of this.

Stop watching Fox News. That stuff rots your mind and makes you unhappy.
03-23-2017 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Kyp -the sort of claims you made in that last post (now deleted) would require some very credible quotes to even be considered as acceptable.

Also Tommy Robinson is not some authority on anything, represents nobody and it's just hateful rhetoric rather than anything that might be allowed here Not at all keen on that person 'interviewing' him either.
He is a political figure and former leader of EDL. Not a random person, like you seem to implicate. Not that I necessarily agree with him on any of his points.

Why would you let biased, unsubstantiated anti Trump propaganda fly around here, saying e.g. that Trump is in bed with Russians and worse stuff, without any concrete evidence, if the basis is that one needs rock solid evidence of everything anyone claims here?

The left would rather censor him than listen to his arguments. I think stupid ideas should be allowed, so they could be argumented down. The Weimar republic did have quite modern anti-hate speech laws, and they were the basis for numerous prosecutions against leading nazis, with convictions that included jail time. That didn't lead to anything good.

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“I don’t understand people who are surprised by this. We have over 3,000 Muslims who are monitored 24 hours a day 7 days a week at a cost of nine billion [pounds] a year. We’re following them, waiting for them to do this.”
Is that a lie too? I think the claims should be investigated to see if they are true or not.
03-23-2017 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Trump said he was wiretapped at Trump Tower. Even if the allegations of "incidental surveillance" are true, this doesn't vindicate Trump in any way. Trump people apparently talked to other people who were under surveillance. And, of course, Obama didn't order nay of this.

Stop watching Fox News. That stuff rots your mind and makes you unhappy.
Sir, God Emperor is old and wise, probably born before my grand parents. God Emperor is not accustomed to these modern surveillance mechanics and the nuances of modern communications, so terms such a wire tapping and surveillance might get conflated.

Perhaps best quality of God Emperor Trump is that Trump won't back down infront of the witch hunt resistance, like expressed by David Horowitz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buiFYFYmb3I

PS. Tucker porn is the probbaly the best show in a while, and if I wanted to become a depressed person I would just watch CNN and MSNBC and their constant unsubstantiated fake narratives that the world is coming to an end.
03-23-2017 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
Sir, God Emperor is old and wise, probably born before my grand parents. God Emperor is not accustomed to these modern surveillance mechanics and the nuances of modern communications, so terms such a wire tapping and surveillance might get conflated.
If you are arguing that he is an idiot, I concede that point. But he tweeted about the "wiretapping" based on Napolitiano's Fox News reporting--reporting that got him pulled from the air. Trying to back into this evidence from another angle just isn't going to work.
03-23-2017 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by KellyRae
Not really. The basic point that they haven't found a non-democratic candidate to endorse for president over the last 60 years remains.

There's an obvious liberal bias that some people just don't want to see.
Do you understand the difference between a newspapers' editorial board, and the general direction of its news coverage? They are not often aligned, ideologically.
03-23-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
If you are arguing that he is an idiot, I concede that point. But he tweeted about the "wiretapping" based on Napolitiano's Fox News reporting--reporting that got him pulled from the air. Trying to back into this evidence from another angle just isn't going to work.
Pretty sure Napolitano came after the tweets, the FBI was batting down the claims and Napolitianno then came up with the well I have heard it was not a FISA warrant but rather a foreign operation claim.

If Trump can show 1) numerous calls/ conversations of his transition team were some how recorded or part of surveillance 2) his transition team was unmasked without any obvious reason for such and 3) That it was widely disseminated in Obama's administration without a reason unrelated to Trump and his team, then he is fine. Not sure he can show the above and it will be interesting.

Otherwise it appears the left wants to hang their hat on the technicality of how the information was obtained rather then was it obtained and was it used improperly. Who cares how it was obtained, if it was and used improperly.
03-23-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Do you understand the difference between a newspapers' editorial board, and the general direction of its news coverage? They are not often aligned, ideologically.
I can't think of any example where a paper's editorial board clearly leans one way buy the "general direction" of their coverage leans the other way. Do you have an example of a paper that does this?
03-23-2017 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ogallalabob
Pretty sure Napolitano came after the tweets, the FBI was batting down the claims and Napolitianno then came up with the well I have heard it was not a FISA warrant but rather a foreign operation claim.

If Trump can show 1) numerous calls/ conversations of his transition team were some how recorded or part of surveillance 2) his transition team was unmasked without any obvious reason for such and 3) That it was widely disseminated in Obama's administration without a reason unrelated to Trump and his team, then he is fine. Not sure he can show the above and it will be interesting.

Otherwise it appears the left wants to hang their hat on the technicality of how the information was obtained rather then was it obtained and was it used improperly. Who cares how it was obtained, if it was and used improperly.
Spicer and Trump repeated the Napolitiano claims, but you're right on the timeline. I think Trump got his info from Mark Steyn or someone else like that.
03-23-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I can't think of any example where a paper's editorial board clearly leans one way buy the "general direction" of their coverage leans the other way. Do you have an example of a paper that does this?
The Wall Street Journal has a far right editorial board and its news coverage tilts only slightly conservative.
03-23-2017 , 02:18 PM
Senate votes to block internet privacy regulations

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The Senate passed a resolution Thursday in 50-48 party line vote that would dismantle a set of internet privacy rules approved by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) last year.

The rules, which the FCC passed in a party-line vote in October, require internet service providers such as AT&T and Verizon to obtain customers’ permission before using their personal information for advertising purposes.
GOP looking out for the little man by...letting big companies sell their internet browsing history to advertisers.

As always, it's amazing how Trump and the GOP successfully redirected populist anger into standard GOP orthodoxy.
03-23-2017 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ogallalabob
Pretty sure Napolitano came after the tweets...
Trump's tweets simply parroted Fox News, and Napolitano, now dropped by Fox News, kept the pot boiling by repeating conspiratard nonsense from Russia Today: RT nonsense put out there by the same moron who invented the Michelle Obama 'Whitey tape' story. And even that moron, Larry C Johnson, says nobody should take his word for it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7638206.html

GCHQ themselves called the claims 'nonsense' and NSA director Adm Rogers said they were 'epically stupid', because the Five Eyes treaty, dating back to Bletchley Park, doesn't permit any such thing.

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