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Old 03-09-2017, 01:10 PM   #3276
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Have you read the book? Have you listened to Bannons response to these allegations? Do you know the full context of Bannon citing this book?
IF you are offering to provide information to answer your questions, please proceed. I doubt you'll provide anything which contradicts what we can see reflected in the administration's immigration stratagem.

Hey did you hear that the RW insult "cuck" may have originated from within that racist fear-porn? Is the alt-right just a bunch of dopes who got tricked into live-action role playing the bosses' favorite racist fear-porn?
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Old 03-09-2017, 01:33 PM   #3277
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einbert, why do you think we often see companies publicly oppose a republican plan, but almost never see a company publicly oppose a dem plan? You aren't naive enough to believe dems are more business friendly are you?
Mostly because the Democratic health care plans were long processes involving coordination and cooperation with various interest groups that discussed the issues the various groups were concerned about and either wrote in things that appeased them or worked with the groups to allay their fears. When you do that you end up with less push back from the various groups than you would if you were to just rush a bill through as fast as possible.
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Old 03-09-2017, 01:42 PM   #3278
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This is not a conspiracy thread Wookie. This video does not belong here.
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HuffPo lists a number of occasions on which Bannon has cited the book approvingly and said that its plot—in which, for instance, "the queen of England is forced to marry her son to a Pakistani woman" and the mayor of New York is forced to live with three black American families after a "black tide" overruns the Upper East Side—resembles actual world events:

“It’s been almost a Camp of the Saints-type invasion into Central and then Western and Northern Europe,” he said in October 2015.

“The whole thing in Europe is all about immigration,” he said in January 2016. “It’s a global issue today—this kind of global Camp of the Saints.”
“It’s not a migration,” he said later that January. “It’s really an invasion. I call it the Camp of the Saints.”

“When we first started talking about this a year ago,” he said in April 2016, “we called it the Camp of the Saints. ... I mean, this is Camp of the Saints, isn’t it?”

You can read here and here about denigrating comments Bannon has made about Asians; about his alleged displeasure at the idea of his daughters attending school with Jews; and about his support for the career of disgraced hate-speech hero and pedophilia advocate Milo Yiannopoulos, who used Bannon's website—Breitbart.com—to praise racial segregationists such as Nazi fetishist Richard Spencer.
All links are hyperlinked to the sources

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...he_saints.html

Also Breitbart itself has written about Camp of the Saints, in loving detail, twice.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Site%3A+Breitba...+of+the+saints
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Old 03-09-2017, 01:43 PM   #3279
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Mostly because the Democratic health care plans were long processes involving coordination and cooperation with various interest groups that discussed the issues the various groups were concerned about and either wrote in things that appeased them or worked with the groups to allay their fears. When you do that you end up with less push back from the various groups than you would if you were to just rush a bill through as fast as possible.
I'm not asking about just healthcare. I am talking about companies in general publicly supporting dem ideas and almost never hearing about them supporting repub ideas.

The only exception to the repub rule I can think of is when a bunch of CEOs came out and told people the negative effects of raising MW. They were of course very quickly shouted down and most of them immediately gave a public apology for explaining how businesses run and how the economy works by saying something along the lines of: What the hell do I know I just run a fortune 500 company? I am sure the general public is right and the things I predicted won't happen - I apologize for suggesting something different.
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Old 03-09-2017, 02:05 PM   #3280
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I'm not asking about just healthcare. I am talking about companies in general publicly supporting dem ideas and almost never hearing about them supporting repub ideas.

The only exception to the repub rule I can think of is when a bunch of CEOs came out and told people the negative effects of raising MW. They were of course very quickly shouted down and most of them immediately gave a public apology for explaining how businesses run and how the economy works by saying something along the lines of: What the hell do I know I just run a fortune 500 company? I am sure the general public is right and the things I predicted won't happen - I apologize for suggesting something different.
Well a couple of things. When talking about this particular bill I do think that the reason why all these NGOs and various interest groups are coming out against the bill is exactly what I said. That the GOP hasn't put together some larger framework that they could take to the various organizations and tell them, this bill is bad for you but the upcoming bills, printed right here for you, are good, so vote tell your members to vote for this and you'll be ok. They don't have that, they just have some vague platitudes that worry these groups. Which is what happens when you just rush a bill and don't take time.

As to the larger point. Companies are largely apolitical or rather they just political enough to not stir the waters too much. Google takes down sires deemed blasphemous in Pakistan even though they say they're committed to freedom of speech. Why? To make money. At the start of Jim Crow railroad companies resisted segregating their cars. Why? Because it was annoying to have to stop at the border and refit their railway cars to be segregated. But by the 1920's and 30's railways were selling discounted tickets and travel bundles to go to lynchings. Why? Because of increased competition from cars. I posted an article in the Death of the Democratic Party thread about supposed heavy hitters in the Democratic fold who espouse "feminism" but who make concerted efforts to stop unionization of hotel maids, a group almost entirely of women. Why? Because unionization would cut into their company's profits. So what kind of feminism of these Democratic big wigs talking about? The kind that sounds nice, but doesn't rock the economic boat too much. "Lean in" and "Be Bossy" might help women in the board room but it's not going to effect a company's bottom line.

To get to the why Democrats and not Republicans, I'd say that the playing field has largely shifted to cultural concerns rather than economic. LGBT/vs Christian, bathroom bills, immigrants vs non immigrants. On these things the Democratic side is much easier for businesses. It's best for businesses to allow everyone in as to give businesses the largest labor pool possible and most of the Republican concerns aren't employment related (They aren't demanding that LGBT people be disemployed), but rather about cultural standing. Same with immigration. The Republican cultural issues are annoying for businesses, but that doesn't mean that if say hardline nationalism actually did become a cultural zeitgeist in America, Facebook wouldn't be touting themselves as employing (only) Americans. They would, because that would make them money.

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Old 03-09-2017, 02:29 PM   #3281
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You obviously think this list describes black people. What does that say about you?

My ex girlfriend spent $360 on a tatoo and then had to pawn her computer and borrow money just to pay rent. She bought coffee from starbuck every morning. She had an Iphone for her and her two girls. She bought a nice car she had no business owning. No problem though...the government gave her 500 dollars per month in food stamps which she sold to her sister or friends for cash.

Do you think she is the only person who does this?

I've played 20/40 holdem with a guy who locks up his seat with his food stamp card. He always has a nice pair of Air Jordans, smokes like a fish.

Do you think he is the only person taking advantage of the system?

My point is instead of having 43 million people on food stamps, how about focus on cleaning up the program. Take these entitlements away from those who are abusing the system. Maybe they will learn what a budget is.

Meanwhile, I work with a girl who has two jobs and gets no benefits. She has two little girls. Her sister is lazy and never has a job. She gets food stamps and has a house payed for by the government.

Ya, if these people stopped being stupid with their money and more importantly, were held accountable for their decisions, people who were doing the right thing would get the help they deserve.

Why are you lying?

You know we've read this story before right?
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Old 03-09-2017, 02:43 PM   #3282
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AARP is opposed to this plan? I'm shocked!!
So will the congress critters when even more old folks shut down town halls.
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Old 03-09-2017, 02:46 PM   #3283
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Well a couple of things. When talking about this particular bill I do think that the reason why all these NGOs and various interest groups are coming out against the bill is exactly what I said. That the GOP hasn't put together some larger framework that they could take to the various organizations and tell them, this bill is bad for you but the upcoming bills, printed right here for you, are good, so vote tell your members to vote for this and you'll be ok. They don't have that, they just have some vague platitudes that worry these groups. Which is what happens when you just rush a bill and don't take time.

As to the larger point. Companies are largely apolitical or rather they just political enough to not stir the waters too much. Google takes down sires deemed blasphemous in Pakistan even though they say they're committed to freedom of speech. Why? To make money. At the start of Jim Crow railroad companies resisted segregating their cars. Why? Because it was annoying to have to stop at the border and refit their railway cars to be segregated. But by the 1920's and 30's railways were selling discounted tickets and travel bundles to go to lynchings. Why? Because of increased competition from cars. I posted an article in the Death of the Democratic Party thread about supposed heavy hitters in the Democratic fold who espouse "feminism" but who make concerted efforts to stop unionization of hotel maids, a group almost entirely of women. Why? Because unionization would cut into their company's profits. So what kind of feminism of these Democratic big wigs talking about? The kind that sounds nice, but doesn't rock the economic boat too much. "Lean in" and "Be Bossy" might help women in the board room but it's not going to effect a company's bottom line.

To get to the why Democrats and not Republicans, I'd say that the playing field has largely shifted to cultural concerns rather than economic. LGBT/vs Christian, bathroom bills, immigrants vs non immigrants. On these things the Democratic side is much easier for businesses. It's best for businesses to allow everyone in as to give businesses the largest labor pool possible and most of the Republican concerns aren't employment related (They aren't demanding that LGBT people be disemployed), but rather about cultural standing. Same with immigration. The Republican cultural issues are annoying for businesses, but that doesn't mean that if say hardline nationalism actually did become a cultural zeitgeist in America, Facebook wouldn't be touting themselves as employing (only) Americans. They would, because that would make them money.
also Corporations probably support Republican policies in private, because its hard to not look evil coming out publicly to screw the middle class and below so they can make extra money..
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Old 03-09-2017, 02:54 PM   #3284
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also Corporations probably support Republican policies in private, because its hard to not look evil coming out publicly to screw the middle class and below so they can make extra money..
Yeah. You don't post on your corporate facebook page that you want lower corporate taxes, kill social programs, and eliminate the EPA. You fund think tanks which put out position papers and ALEC which writes the legislation and pay hundreds of millions to lobbyists and donate to superpacs to run fear mongering propaganda.
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Old 03-09-2017, 03:16 PM   #3286
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Who knows what Pruitt actually thinks? What he is is a stooge of billionaires in the fossil fuel industry.

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In taking these anti-regulatory positions, Pruitt has clearly aligned himself with his right-wing campaign donors, including Charles and David Koch. KochPAC, the political-action committee of the brothers’ Kansas-based oil-and-chemical conglomerate, Koch Industries, contributed to Pruitt’s campaigns in 2010, 2013, and 2014. Pruitt has also been backed by several other billionaire oil-and-gas executives, who joined political forces with the Kochs during the Obama years, becoming “investors,” as they called themselves, in the Kochs’ anti-regulatory, pro-business political movement. Harold Hamm, the billionaire founder and chief executive of Continental Resources, and Larry Nichols, the chairman emeritus of Devon Energy, have both supported Pruitt. Hamm, in fact, was the co-chairman of Pruitt’s 2013 reëlection campaign. This year, Hamm became an early and ardent Trump supporter and adviser on energy matters. In September, Politico reported that Nichols had become a close adviser to Trump on energy, too. It’s not clear that Pruitt will continue to take dictation from his fossil-fuel backers, but they almost certainly will have a lot more to thank him for if he enters the Trump Administration.
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Old 03-09-2017, 03:28 PM   #3287
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In Ryancare news:

As the bill passes the Ways & Means committee, some notable Republicans are opposing it, including Tom Cotton (R-AR) who wants to wait for CBO analysis and more debate. Additionally, the chief medical officer of Medicaid is breaking with HHS in opposing it. The GOP specifically rejected Democratic amendments preventing the bill from raising premiums on old people.

Outside of Washington, even Republicans haaaaaaaate this bill:

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“Swampcare,” the writer and radio personality Erick Erickson scoffed at the new American Health Care Act, the culmination of seven years of promises to repeal and replace President Barack Obama’s signature domestic achievement. “Obamacare 2.0,” declared Breitbart.com. “RINOCARE,” Mark Levin wrote on Twitter, using the acronym for Republican in Name Only.

Political groups backed by the billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch and other powerful players on the right, such as Club for Growth and Heritage Action for America, have come out quickly and strongly against the bill.
Meanwhile, the Trump administration is trying to discredit the CBO before they even get a chance to make projections on Ryancare (though at the end, one admin official says it's gonna be a great score, just the best score).
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Old 03-09-2017, 03:37 PM   #3288
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Corporations have an entangled relationship between investors and customers/consumers. Their investors are mostly high earners, while most consumers in general are lower and middle class. In general, corporate interests align with investors, while regulators are concerned with the consumers. The big irony of course is that if the consumers are better protected and empowered, they become better consumers who spend more, so the corporations would benefit greatly if they supported some taxes on their investors that funneled back into the economy. What's the old saying, "take care of your customer and business will take care of itself."
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Old 03-09-2017, 03:43 PM   #3289
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Not going to lie but I think I'm going to start using swampcare
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Have you read that book?

My friend has an autograpghed copy of Mein Kampf. Does this make him a Nazi?
One of those facts alone might not be really strong but combine the two of them (your friend and owning an autographed copy of mein kampf) and the odds increase exponentially.
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the only instance of taking advantage of entitlements that you list is the selling of food stamps (tho this could even be debated.)

poor ppl spending money on personal items is not taking advantage of the system or abusing the system.

on the radio I heard that the food stamp program has one of the lowest rates of fraud and abuse. they said in ohio it was lower than 5%.



I take some issue with what this implies. the idea that someone can sit at home and live off the govt teat seems highly unlikely to me. I know plenty of ppl on "entitlements" and none of them are able to get by just on that. at least not in ohio. here, the monthly food stamp amount is like $185. it would be quite a struggle to eat on such a budget exclusively.

food stamps and other entitlements are not meant to fully take care of a persons needs and clearly they are not generous enough to do so. they are meant to supplement a persons income or other earnings so that they can live a normal life. a normal life in this society, in this era includes access to the internet, cable tv, a refrigerator, a microwave, decent clothes, and a smart phone.

the idea that a person should forego nearly all modern amenities to qualify for food stamps is completely absurd and cruel.

and, as an aside, I highly doubt you have spent much time around poor ppl. the vast majority that I know, and I have spent time and maintained relationships with quite a few, do not take advantage of the system and actually work orders of magnitude harder than even the comfortable middle class ppl that I know and certainly far harder than I myself have ever worked.
The highest amount of "food stamps" a single person can get is about $6 a day. (If you add more people to a household the average per person gets even lower than that)

Clearly these abusers are eating steak and lobster every day. Plus there us a huge level of ignorance by those who think people on social programs just being lazy yo. If you are not disabled or have children it is pretty much impossible to stay on food stamps for more than a couple months. I know this doesn't it with monchichi's alleged stories but I have found over the years those with the most vitriol towards social programs are the ones who have not spent any time at all researching how such things actually work and instead just rely on word of mouth about fourth hand information.
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Stealing this tweet from alpha. This guy writes for HuffPo, conceded, but he's not wrong:

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Stealing this tweet from alpha. This guy writes for HuffPo, conceded, but he's not wrong:

Paul Ryan has crossed over to being a complete imbecile. How is the GOP economic savior devoid of any understanding how insurance works?
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Paul Ryan has crossed over to being a complete imbecile. How is the GOP economic savior devoid of any understanding how insurance works?
Ryan has always been a complete imbecile. The lamestream media held him out as some kind of policy wonk, but he has been peddling nonsense the entire time.
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It's also amazing the way he talks about "healthy people" and "sick people" as if the latter are a different class from the former, a class who deserve their fate and whose problems shouldn't burden the former, even though sick people were once healthy people and we as a society spread shared risk of this manner around in plenty of other applications.
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Who knows what Pruitt actually thinks? What he is is a stooge of billionaires in the fossil fuel industry.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...-for-the-e-p-a
I love it. Let the lawnmowers fly!
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I love it. Let the lawnmowers fly!
Seems like the biggest difference of the pre-Trump vs post-Trump world is that where today's Trumpkins used to pretend that they cared about things besides pissing off liberals, they no longer bother with that pretense.

A post-policy world for a post-policy people.
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Ryan has always been a complete imbecile. The lamestream media held him out as some kind of policy wonk, but he has been peddling nonsense the entire time.
Imbecile isn't the word that I'd use, because I think that he's actually pretty clever about effecting his policy goals. The problem is that he's deceitful. So when he says that this program will help people, he's lying because a) it won't, and b) that isn't its intention. His, and the Republican Party's, guiding philosophy is screwing over poor people with the cruel and misguided assumption that the worse you screw them, the harder they'll work not to be poor anymore, so that they can stop getting screwed.
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It's also amazing the way he talks about "healthy people" and "sick people" as if the latter are a different class from the former, a class who deserve their fate and whose problems shouldn't burden the former, even though sick people were once healthy people and we as a society spread shared risk of this manner around in plenty of other applications.
It's dog-whistle code, meaning 'white people' and 'black people'. The same applies when they say 'Why should my taxes pay for poor people's healthcare?' -- 'poor people' meaning 'black people', which is why the US doesn't have a proper healthcare system, because, if it did, that wouldn't keep 'em down.
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It's dog-whistle code, meaning 'white people' and 'black people'. The same applies when they say 'Why should my taxes pay for poor people's healthcare?' -- 'poor people' meaning 'black people', which is why the US doesn't have a proper healthcare system, because, if it did, that wouldn't keep 'em down.
It saddens me that you think this (if you truly believe this rubbish).
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