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Wil - 2 day timeout from all content threads for repeated low content posts and for making an issue of the posters.

In case anybody wonders, Chezlaw and I had a discussion and this is our joint decision. Sometimes Chezlaw will issue the sanction, and sometimes I will. What time it is in the various parts of the world may influence which of us makes the announcement.

03-06-2017 , 10:45 PM

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Can someone explain the Ben Carson hoopla to me? I don't get why it is such a big deal, but I may be downplaying it because I'm a Carson fan.

It's another in a long line of verbal gaffes that display extreme stupidity coming from a supposedly intelligent man.

As far as this particular incident, discussing slavery in any terms other than calling it one of the worst abominations in American history will never end well for the person making the statement.

03-06-2017 , 11:58 PM

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What part was stupid? According to Webster and his friend Merriam slaves fall under the broad definition of immigrants.

I don't think he was denying slavery was a huge mistake. Do you or others think Carson is a huge fan of slavery? Does he really need to go out of his way to say the idea of slavery is disgusting every time he talks about it? At some point can't we assume an intelligent black man in the U.S. is not pro-slavery?

03-07-2017 , 12:13 AM

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How many ****ing people you know use the word immigrants when talking about slavery?

You're missing the entire point tho and I'm too tired to explain common sense to you.

03-07-2017 , 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

At some point can't we assume an intelligent black man in the U.S. is not pro-slavery?

Who said he's pro-slavery? Discussing things with you is impossible.

Here is the quote:

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“That’s what America is about, a land of dreams and opportunity,’’ he said. “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters, might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

Referring to slaves as "immigrants" is a gaffe but to me the bolded is the worst part. Uh, no, that's not exactly how slavery worked.

03-07-2017 , 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Who said he's pro-slavery? Discussing things with you is impossible.

Here is the quote:

Referring to slaves as "immigrants" is a gaffe but to me the bolded is the worst part. Uh, no, that's not exactly how slavery worked.

I tried really hard to come up with a devil's advocate position on this but couldn't. Yep, Ben Carson is a certifiable moron. Great, he's leading HUD.

03-07-2017 , 12:20 AM

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Depends on the pre-existing condition, where they live etc.....

Like a knee injury, probably get a rider on anything related to the pre-existing injury and able to get a policy relatively cheap.

The vast majority of states had high risk pools they funded with state funds and fees from the insurance companies. Typically, if turned down by a set number of insurance companies then you would be eligible. My state you would be charged 150% of the average policy.

A typical knee injury is not a pre-existing condition.

Diabetes, cancer, high boood pressure, a large number of diseases, RA, and much more are pre-Exsisting conditions.

High risk pools are abject failures. We shouldn't have any pools at all. All pools do is make money for insurance companies, which we don't need in the first place.

03-07-2017 , 12:54 AM

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This 1 time I was in Canada and cut my foot, which got infected. I went to a doctor but when I saw his prescription for antibiotics I said, No, Unacceptable! The way US doctors do chicken-scratch signatures on prescriptions for common drugs is Much Better!

Anyhow, I ended up losing my foot to amputation but that a small price to pay for myopic jingoism.

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Originally Posted by mongidig

I used to work at a resort were thousands of Canadians would stay because they were going to American doctors. They said the healthcare in Canada is a joke. They would much rather pay for something good. It's just opinion, but a lot of them.

BTW...who pay's for your free healthcare?

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-...b_3733080.html

03-07-2017 , 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Non-americans talking about America is always amusing.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

No, I think it's because Europe is a dump.

I personally don't like travelling but I can see why Europeans do. If I was stuck there in that hellhole I couldn't wait to see the USA either.

Shrug.

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

You've never been to Europe, so your opinion is, as usual, invalid.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

From what I see of it on the news and videos you can keep it, dog.

I'm sure there are extremely nice areas there but I'll stay domestic. Thanks.

Just let it wash over you.

03-07-2017 , 01:09 AM

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Ok. so 1 little fonzy got cooled out.

They thought AO was humblebragging about his parents having Fat Stax Of Canadian Currency and then they chased that ball right into the street, traffic be damned.

PROTIP: Only children and those with personality disorders brag about their parents' money and I'd venture to say this applies to their own money as well.

03-07-2017 , 01:23 AM

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Ok, I'm just gonna report my own post and have this deleted, but I had to vent part of my laughter through onomatopoeia.

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they wouldnt be able to lose their 300k house that could be worth 7 million with the magic of teleportation

are you asking if people should buy health insurance or if it should be provided for them? thats kind of a separate issue that the one we are discussing. here we are talking about people with very little assets striking it rich with teleportation devices and then losing a small portion of that fortune because the person selling them the teleportation device didnt hook them up with insurance

03-07-2017 , 01:36 AM

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5ive, just remember that Juan is highly educated and only doesn't want to talk about where his two degrees were from and what they are in because it would be bragging.

03-07-2017 , 01:37 AM

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2outs said not mentioning slavery was bad when talking about slavery is a gaffe. I was just pointing out that it is unreasonable to assume that Carson actually doesn't think slavery was bad.

I think the left is blowing up his quote to make it sound bad. He's right that slaves were technical immigrants.

03-07-2017 , 02:29 AM

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5ive, just remember that Juan is highly educated and only doesn't want to talk about where his two degrees were from and what they are in because it would be bragging.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=14555

That should be stickied.

03-07-2017 , 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Who said he's pro-slavery? Discussing things with you is impossible.

Here is the quote:

Quote:

“That’s what America is about, a land of dreams and opportunity,’’ he said. “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters, might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

Referring to slaves as "immigrants" is a gaffe but to me the bolded is the worst part. Uh, no, that's not exactly how slavery worked.

It's too insane for a simple assessment.

03-07-2017 , 02:51 AM

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Healthcare bill is out.

03-07-2017 , 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Carson

There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters, might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

I think the left is blowing up his quote to make it sound bad.

That's what makes you a deplorable and the rest of us decent human beings, because we don't look at that quote and say "jesus, what could people possibly be taking issue with here?" like someone totally and completely ignorant of history would.

03-07-2017 , 04:23 AM

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NYT has HUD's public response in their article about it:

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The Department of Housing and Urban Development was stunned by the uproar and spent part of the afternoon responding to the news media on Twitter. In a statement, it said critics were watching only a short clip from a 30-minute speech and were viewing the remarks in bad faith.

“This is the most cynical interpretation of the secretary’s remarks to an army of welcoming HUD employees,” the department said in a statement. “No one honestly believes he equates voluntary immigration with involuntary servitude!”

I dunno, have they met our friend bahbah here?

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

He's right that slaves were technical immigrants.

Poor mickey, blowing away any assumption HUD might have made about the intelligence of the people that would read Carson's quote.

03-07-2017 , 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

NYT has HUD's public response in their article about it:

I dunno, have they met our friend bahbah here?

Poor mickey, blowing away any assumption HUD might have made about the intelligence of the people that would read Carson's quote.

I didn't do that.

03-07-2017 , 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

"Immigrant" isn't the best word to use because it implies the move was voluntary.

But I agree with you, this "gaffe" seems like a stretch at best.

03-07-2017 , 09:30 AM

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High risk pools=death pools

Have fun, GOP.

03-07-2017 , 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 13ball

"Immigrant" isn't the best word to use because it implies the move was voluntary.

But I agree with you, this "gaffe" seems like a stretch at best.

So because some people don't understand that the definition of an immigrant doesn't necessarily imply the move was voluntary we should shame a politician for making a point where he isn't being factually incorrect.

03-07-2017 , 10:23 AM

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This. Am I supposed to think every single time before I make a public announcement? At what point will we allow good men such as myself to spew whatever drivel they want while still maintaining the pretense that we're smart?

It's political correctness gone mad.

03-07-2017 , 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

Did I say that? I agree with you that this is a nothing, but "immigrant" is definitely not the best word.

03-07-2017 , 10:27 AM

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Just let it wash over you.

I enjoy how Wil's position is that he lives in a city where brave men dare not tread, meanwhile he wants to maintain that the entirety of Europe is a dump who would snatch your hand off for the chance to live where he does.

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