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03-06-2017 , 04:39 PM
03-06-2017 , 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Victor, you missed the part where he has never been abroad. He doesn't mention that when he calls Europe a "dump" because yolo.
well obv. I mean, there are proly some dumpy cities in europe. but all the places I went to were really clean. even amsterdam was relatively clean and it was esp clean in the morning. some districts tended to get trashed by night time.

but it was nothing like an american city. I was just so used to dirty american cities that I could not believe these european cities. ofc, I was only in netherlands, belgium, most of germany, paris, and northern italy.

mebbe I just missed all the dirty cities!
03-06-2017 , 04:53 PM
Originally Posted by Victor
well obv. I mean, there are proly some dumpy cities in europe. but all the places I went to were really clean. even amsterdam was relatively clean and it was esp clean in the morning. some districts tended to get trashed by night time.

but it was nothing like an american city. I was just so used to dirty american cities that I could not believe these european cities. ofc, I was only in netherlands, belgium, most of germany, paris, and northern italy.

mebbe I just missed all the dirty cities!
You must have because according to non-travelling wil they've all been on his TV:

Originally Posted by wil318466
From what I see of it on the news and videos you can keep it, dog.

I'm sure there are extremely nice areas there but I'll stay domestic. Thanks.
03-06-2017 , 04:54 PM
Trump's lies are becoming increasingly untenable.
03-06-2017 , 04:55 PM
03-06-2017 , 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by ogallalabob
Depends on the pre-existing condition, where they live etc.....

Like a knee injury, probably get a rider on anything related to the pre-existing injury and able to get a policy relatively cheap.

The vast majority of states had high risk pools they funded with state funds and fees from the insurance companies. Typically, if turned down by a set number of insurance companies then you would be eligible. My state you would be charged 150% of the average policy.
Thank you for actually giving an intelligent reply.
03-06-2017 , 05:02 PM
Afghan family with immigrant visas detained at LAX for two days, got an injunction from federal judge preventing them from being transferred to Texas

The father had arrived on Thursday with his wife and three children, ages 7, 6 and 8 months, on Special Immigrant Visas, according to the lawyers’ habeas corpus petition filed on Saturday in Federal District Court in Los Angeles. Those visas were created by Congress for citizens in Iraq and Afghanistan who have helped the United States military or government as drivers, interpreters or in other jobs — work that often makes them targets in their home countries.

But instead of being allowed to enter the United States, the family has been detained, according to the court papers.

“I’ve never, ever heard of this happening,” said Becca Heller, the director of the International Refugee Assistance Project, or IRAP, which filed the petition. “They go through so many layers of security clearance, including one right before they get on the plane.”

Calling the detention “egregious, inhumane and unconstitutional,” the group petitioned the court to release the family, whose names were not publicly revealed. The judge did not order the family be released, but set a hearing in the case for Monday.
CBP in Trump's America! This sends a great signal to countries around the world whose citizens might ever make the mistake of thinking the Trump administration will thank them for their help.
03-06-2017 , 05:02 PM
Originally Posted by wil318466
This is almost enough for me to wish kerowo, rjoe, and fly were back. Look who we are stuck with now.
Hold the phone. Is Kerowo gone for good?
03-06-2017 , 05:05 PM
High risk pools can be a solution, but in A.C.A. they turned out to be far more expensive than originally predicted. Also there's this:
03-06-2017 , 05:07 PM
03-06-2017 , 05:07 PM
This is the required reading and starting research point for all arguments regarding American health care:

Originally Posted by NajdorfDefense
Your system is cheaper because it is subsidized by US taxpayers, US pharmas, and US medical device makers.

US Pharms do the R+D, operations, marketing and manufacturing that US investors and taxpayers pay for and then Canada/RoW gets all the benefits at a lower cost per pill.

Merck, Pfizer, BMY-Squibb, Lilly, JNJ, Abbott, Watson, Mylan.

There is no Canadian equivalent. In fact, your ****** generic copy-cat firm is facing a ban on US exports because they can't even run a factory as well as Jesse Pinkman would.

Drug development is similarly almost completely dead in Europe except for the Swiss, and the lone ~2 remaining UK players.

Same thing goes for medical devices: JNJ, GE, BSX, MDT, STJ, EW, BCR, EK, et al. [Siemens being the main exception.]

As it stands, Canadians only pay the variable costs of all the research, drugs, and new products invented in the US after being subsidized by US taxpayers, gov't, and investors. You are the very definition of a 'free-rider.'

There are numerous academic studies demonstrating this, as well as the market itself showing how simple it is to make a profit re-importing the same drug from Canada *back* to the US.
03-06-2017 , 05:07 PM
03-06-2017 , 05:18 PM
No, that poster is mad that US pharmaceutical companies who make giant, giant profits end up shipping their supplies to the rest of the world. It's a very odd line of thought.

Fwiw prescription drugs aren't covered by Healthcare so....
03-06-2017 , 05:24 PM
Giant profits, sure, but giant risk. The cost of r&d is staggering.
03-06-2017 , 05:29 PM
Wouldn't want those pharma companies to go bankrupt like the millions of Americans who can't afford their drugs!
03-06-2017 , 05:45 PM
We run different systems. You should feel good about being able to spend 1% GDP on defense and use the savings towards other things that allow you to criticize your neighbors who guarantee no one ever touches your shores. While the united States may be described as geographically blessed, I'd say Canada may be moreso.
03-06-2017 , 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by aoFrantic

Good job guys, good effort. You clearly have such a great system going on there!
See, here's the problem. It was trivial to show that your little hypothetical is a reality for a large number of people, but unfortunately this came in the middle of the pure meltdown of trying to explain why people outside the USA might be happy to stay outside the USA, and reality isn't going to help.
03-06-2017 , 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Juan, no one is under the illusion that Canadians, Britains and other people don't pay for their health insurance. The Government gets it's money. But countries that have single payer do not have 20% of their entire populations struggling to get by due to medical bills. This is the entire point.
I don't understand how single payer is not a good thing, other than the jobs lost in health insurance field. Think about it, if you have health insurance at you work, you probably pay an average of $300 a month. The company pays the rest,usually 70% of the premium. So the company pays $700 a month.

If we have single payer, that would give companies $700 extra per employee and the employer $300. I would guess we'd have a tax on something; maybe consumption tax or maybe a federal sales tax could pay for the single payer. Now I have not researched this at all, but I cannot see how this is losing proposition. The biggest problem is the government under funding it because certain a party does not believe in it.
03-06-2017 , 06:13 PM
03-06-2017 , 06:39 PM
Discriminating against Muslims more really kicks the bigotry denial in the guts.
03-06-2017 , 07:18 PM
Originally Posted by wil318466
So, Canada is China?

Basically. So is Europe.

I personally root for having socialized health care in the US because the likely scenarios would be that either the level of health care declines all around the world, or the US costs would go down, and the RoW's costs would escalate to make up the difference as Henry17 illustrated in that thread:

Originally Posted by Henry17
In Japan the cost of an MRI is about 20% of what it costs in the US. There are a few reasons for this but the biggest factor is that the government buys inferior machines to what is used in the States. The argument is that while they are inferior they are good enough and the cost savings are substantial.

Further, even for the inferior machine you could never get them for the same price in the States. Japan basically sets the price that they are willing to pay and Siemens either sells at that price or they don't sell any machines in Japan. This is what people were talking about when they say the rest of the world are free-riding off the United States. Siemens is willing to sell the machines at the price Japan sets because even though it is unprofitable to do so when you include R&D costs the price is still higher than than the variable costs. If the United States was not paying the higher price Japan's bluff wouldn't work. It also wouldn't work for small countries. In Japan MRIs are insanely popular so you get enough volume to give Japan the advantage but if a smaller country was to pull the same **** they might just find that both Siemens and GE tells them to **** off.
03-06-2017 , 08:21 PM
Looking at Trump's war on regulations, where lobbyists so far appear to have enormous clout

A sample of rolled-back regulations so far:

Giants in telecommunications, like Verizon and AT&T, will not have to take “reasonable measures” to ensure that their customers’ Social Security numbers, web browsing history and other personal information are not stolen or accidentally released.

Wall Street banks like Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase will not be punished, at least for now, for not collecting extra money from customers to cover potential losses from certain kinds of high-risk trades that helped unleash the 2008 financial crisis.
Mr. Trump has separately signed executive orders directing agencies to pursue the reversal of other rules, including a requirement that financial advisers act in the interest of their clients, and a rule aimed at protecting drinking water from pollution.
Drinking water? Who needs it, amirite?

Trump is getting his marching orders on regulations directly from the swamp:

On a near daily basis, regulated industries are now sending in specific requests to the Trump administration for more rollbacks, including recent appeals from 17 automakers to rescind an agreement to increase mileage standards for their fleets, and another from pharmaceutical industry figures to reverse a new rule that tightens scrutiny over the marketing of prescription drugs for unapproved uses. As of late Friday, word had leaked that the automakers’ request for a rollback was about to be granted, too.
The Business Roundtable, which represents some of the nation’s largest corporations and is led by Jamie Dimon, chief executive of JPMorgan Chase, in mid-February gave Mr. Trump a wish list of 16 rules it wanted killed, including the mandatory disclosure of how much chief executives are paid compared with other employees, and a rule intended to curb the trade in minerals that might benefit militant groups in parts of Africa. Efforts to repeal at least 10 of those measures are underway.
03-06-2017 , 08:42 PM
Anti-Defamation League reports a spike in white supremacist groups trying to spread among college campuses this year

The Anti-Defamation League described “an unprecedented outreach effort to attract and recruit students on American college campuses.”

The group, which seeks to document and prevent anti-Semitism and other bigotry, has tracked 104 incidents since the beginning of the school year in September, with an apparent surge in intensity in 2017: More than half of the incidents happened since January.
03-06-2017 , 09:14 PM
I don't know what this website is but Sushy cited it the other day so I assume that means it's derposphere-approved: CBO estimates that Republican replacement for Obamacare would cause 10-20 million to lose workplace health insurance

By comparison, Obamacare led to about 7 million plan cancellation notices in the fall of 2013. While those cancellations caused a major political firestorm, the framework the House released prior to the recess could cause a loss of employer coverage of several times that number.
<in a list of things the Republican plan would do> - An increase in the uninsured (compared to Obamacare) of at least 15 million—nearly as much as repealing the law outright.
I've also been reading that the GOP's replacement for the individual mandate is a 1 year 30% surcharge on your next insurance if you ever go 2 months without it - which of course means that a healthy person without insurance is disincentivized from ever acquiring it. Brilliant plan at work here.
03-06-2017 , 09:43 PM
Can someone explain the Ben Carson hoopla to me? I don't get why it is such a big deal, but I may be downplaying it because I'm a Carson fan.