The problem is he is negatively impacting hundreds of thousands of people (by his own count) based on a threat to our security that he has no evidence for. No incidents from refugees from these countries since they've been on the list is an indication our current vetting is working isn't it?

You don't need a 9/11 style attack to happen from a particular country in your own to act.

Al Queda and ISIS operate in those countries, and it is extremely difficult to double check what is going on there since they don't have a completely functioning government. The US bombs nearly all those countries for last 8-16 years which is furiously fruitless.

So foreign nationals can go and join terrorist groups, train, and come back without the foreign country knowing what they are doing. This is a common denominator. Western Europe as well as NA has thousands of these individuals that went abroad, fought alongside a terrorist group, and came back.

While I agree he is negatively impacting thousands of individuals for next 3 months, I don't agree that those countries pose no potential terrorist threat.

I am against this ban 100%. Increase vetting is ok. A ban is not.

I understood what you meant the first time you posted it, again, it's been this way for several years now and hasn't been exploited. What evidence is there that it was about to be exploited? Is it strong enough to justify impacting the millions of people Trump is talking about?

Backwards analysis can barely start to get it done.

These folks are telling everybody to be scared of actual someones who are not scary. What a big mistake and it is barely clinging to hiding behind being so obvious. Even to the disinterested, who I have noticed are starting to notice.

My sentiments as well. Especially when some of them already have green cards and visas. The whole thing disgusts me and is embarrassing to our nation.

Can't knock the hustle

"Look at my desk. Papers. You don't see presidents with that on their desk," Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity during an interview that aired Thursday.

Trumpkins are as shallow as their president lol

Thanks for the information Mori!

The anti Trumpers won't acknowledge this information because it doesn't support their narrative.

I think you're just mad that we have the best papers, don't we folks?

It seems crazy, but if this Muslim ban is temporary, I'd chalk is up to being the first of many social experiments set forth by Trump. The protesting is a growing force for the Muslim people and I guess that's a good thing going forward.

Why don't you people protest against how awfully veterens are treated in this country?

Why don't you protest against homelesness?

Why don't you protest for more help for single mothers?

Why didn't you protest Presdent Obamas drone strike order that killed the wedding party in Yemen?

Why are you scared of people who are not scary?

Nailed it!

How many people were killed before 911?

How come you don't protest ISIS?

The 911 terrorists apparently weren't considered scary. We educated them, let them train to fly planes.

You know that's incorrect info though, right?

The immigration bans are wrongheaded, and they should be reversed soon. They are the opposite of how we beat the Islamofascists. Hopefully, Trump will "figure it out" soon.

If he keeps up the sketchiness with regard to maybe obeying court orders or maybe not let's see, ie, doing his own fascisty thing, and the system doesn't check him, then the people will revolt, and not just the regular pussyrioters.

Thank you for bringing these to our attention, you are obviously very well-informed about these issues so why aren't you protesting them? Feel free to lead the way and I'll gladly follow.

The question remains as do the people who aren't scary. How many times must you invoke a few people from the past who were scary to color the people now who are not?

Mori****a, there are a lot of little bones I could pick on details (for example, Feinstein is a hawk and it's hard for all the protests you wanted to happen over the Iraqi refugee pause in 2011 to have happened when there was apparently no reporting on it before 2013), but it's probably not productive so to just focus on the overall point:

Okay, Obama gave the executive the authority to do what Trump is doing now. I'm with you.

No, this is plainly false.

You're starting with a basis of "Obama laid the groundwork for this to be possible" and working your way, with a bunch of specious arguments in the middle, to "this is actually the same thing Obama did". It's not. Full stop. Stop trying to lawyer your way to making "Obama did the Muslim ban" happen, it's not going to happen.

You're going to be carrying a lot of water for Trump doing a lot of bad things in the next 4+ years if all it takes is those actions being legal for you to be like "well, I guess Trump is totally cool here, liberals should really be protesting all the previous presidents and congresscritters that gave him this authority".

You're absolving Trump of any responsibility whatsoever to make the decision to use that authority in a plainly worse manner than any other president ever has, and that is still dishonest trash that you can take elsewhere.

In fact, given how both Trump asked Giuliani about how to effect a Muslim ban, and how quickly the Saudi king responded with supporting safe zones in Syria and Yemen, that one of the primary objectives was to force the Saudis to yield on this point. Trump probably did indeed threaten them with a "ban all Muslim" nuclear option and appeared crazy enough to do it in light of today's ban.

I imagine the nuclear option looks like some variation of this:

1) Tillerson takes office and designates Saudi Arabia as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in view of the nationalities of the 9/11 hijackers and alleged funding of ISIS by Saudi interests
2) DHS requests Congress for 60 days to update the "areas of concern" under the Terrorist Travel Prevention Act in view of the new designation
3) Congress obliges because muh 9/11
4) DHS includes Saudi Arabia as an area of concern
5) Trump issues same executive order as now. Suddenly, no Muslim devoted enough to visit Mecca is allowed in the US, along with the nationals of the seven countries plus Saudi Arabia.

Downright Machiavellian, but the more I think about it the more I believe that Trump had something like that prepared, and the present ban is a warning shot to the Saudis.

Why should we take care of the refugees before we take care of our people? Vets, homeless, struggling parents. It's a zero sum game. You're taking from these people to support the refugees.

America First!

I suppose until you learn your lesson.

Hahahaha, do you know what that looks like?

Since 1975? 0

I don't protest ISIS because they aren't here.