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All these independent conservative thinkers are so quick to eat up whatever stupid bull**** Daily Caller or Fox News feeds them on any given day. You would think they would be humiliated after about the 100th time of getting owned by that nonsense, but they seem to have absolutely no ability to feel human shame or compassion.

Lol @ this. How about the humiliation of beleiving lies made up from your own side? Literally hundreds of fake stories.

Hilarious. You handwave sources you dislike, even though the story is actually true? Bbahahahhah

03-03-2017 , 06:00 PM

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But his children aren't deprived of their father. They can move to where he was deported to.

Again, you think he deserves a pass because he has kids?

1. He's already been punished for his old crime. It's a basic tenet of law that you don't get punished again for the same offence, which by bringing his 10 year old crime into the frame is what you're suggesting should happen.

2. As custodial sentences in the UK and I assume in the US are often somewhat dependent on whether the accused has children or not, it's consistent to take this factor into consideration in this case too.

03-03-2017 , 06:01 PM

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Was he punished for entering the country illegally?

What don't you understand here? He's not supposed to be here in the first place!

03-03-2017 , 06:03 PM

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But his children aren't deprived of their father. They can move to where he was deported to.

Again, you think he deserves a pass because he has kids?

It's a vastly disproportional punishment even if he has no kids.

I'm coming it at from the viewpoint that being an illegal immigrant maybe illegal but it's not doing anything particularly wrong from a good/bad point of view. To deport someone after 10 years is beyond outrageous.

03-03-2017 , 06:05 PM

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Was he punished for entering the country illegally?

What don't you understand here? He's not supposed to be here in the first place!

So you agree that he's been fully punished for his crime, and that it can't be a factor in his deportation. Good to hear.

03-03-2017 , 06:05 PM

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Wil wants these children to make a choice he will never have to, between their future and staying together as a family.

I have a family and I'm responsible for them. Guess what? I don't make stupid decisions and put my family at risk.

It's a shame his kids have to suffer but if the dude didn't make the stupid ass decision in the first place to enter a country he wasn't supposed to be wouldn't be in this position.

Again, if I snuck into Canada and did what he did I'd be pretty sure the day would come when I'd have to face the issue. I, and I think most normal people, would do something about it before it turned my life upside down and hurt my family. Apparently it wasn't important enough to that guy.

03-03-2017 , 06:06 PM

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Well, if the Daily Caller site said that he was trying to blame the attack on Trump, yes it's false. The FBI said so. Did the Daily Caller article actually even state that or did you just come up with it on your own though?

03-03-2017 , 06:06 PM

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Yeah, by people like you who are trying to capitalize on these events politically, they are being portrayed as something they're not. That's true and shameful and you should be very disappointed in yourself.

This is rich coming from the guy who was blaming all these incidents and more on Trump's rhetoric.

03-03-2017 , 06:07 PM

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This is rich coming from the guy who was blaming all these incidents and more on Trump's rhetoric.

Citation needed.

03-03-2017 , 06:09 PM

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It's almost like they're not arguing against real people, just a bunch of strawmen made up by Fox News and The Daily Caller. They always have these ideas in their heads of the "liberal position" that are so disastrously wrong. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

03-03-2017 , 06:09 PM

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"TrumpBot" refers to the fact that both Trump and his followers sound like bad AI bots made to comment on political debates or youtube videos. Taken from the idea of the various awful bots that post ads on youtube comments on videos.

Bro, any one of Molyneuxs, Shapiros, Savages, Crowders, Coulters, Mcinness and the like youtube videos destroy any reasonably inteligent opinion/argument that the leftys have on this or any topic really...but you have lefty mods that protect you all from the embarrassment and delete said videos

Bias gonna bias

03-03-2017 , 06:09 PM

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I don't agree with this at all. Countries have laws and those laws need to be respected. I don't just get to jump on a plane and sneak into whatever country I want and lay down roots and say "I'm here, I'm not leaving, tough titty".

Would any single one of us think this is a good idea? Should we just sneak into Norway because we think it's better over there than here?

It's absurd to even think it. There's a right way and a wrong way to do things. He chose badly.

03-03-2017 , 06:10 PM

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Again, read your own link. There aren't "hundreds of fake stories." By far, most of the "stories" on that site are actual crimes committed by non whites. That doesn't make it a fake hate crime. The lady who months ago claimed trump supporters beat her up but did it herself? That's a fake crime! These are real crimes, committed by minorities.

There are basically no "fake crimes" on that site. Did you even bother to read it?

03-03-2017 , 06:10 PM

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I, and I think most normal people, would do something about it before it turned my life upside down and hurt my family. Apparently it wasn't important enough to that guy.

Choosing for your kids to be American instead of Salvadoran, or whatever other country you might come from, even at great personal risk is actually a huge sacrifice that many immigrants make to better their childrens' lives. It doesn't mean they should have to make it, or that it means their children deserve to grow up without a father.

It's a ****load more of a sacrifice that they're making for their kids than you will ever make for yours.

03-03-2017 , 06:10 PM

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So you agree that he's been fully punished for his crime, and that it can't be a factor in his deportation. Good to hear.

Why can't it be a factor? There are consequences of a conviction. A state felony conviction leads to losing your right to posses a gun under federal law and a being deported if your not a citizen.

03-03-2017 , 06:11 PM

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I have a family and I'm responsible for them. Guess what? I don't make stupid decisions and put my family at risk.

It must be really nice living in a fantasy world where everything is this simple.

03-03-2017 , 06:12 PM

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It's pretty telling that his only example came from "The gateway pundit," a known conservative fake news site.

https://mediamatters.org/research/20...y-wrong/215106

03-03-2017 , 06:15 PM

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Lol at this post. My parents were immigrants. They didn't sneak into the country, they went through the process.

Lol at you even guessing what I sacrifice or not for my family. Hahahah.

03-03-2017 , 06:17 PM

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It must be really nice living in a fantasy world where everything is this simple.

Well, it really is that simple. I wouldn't pack them up and sneak into another country and hope everything just magically works out. I don't plan on going around immigration and crossing over into Canada or Mexico and try to fly under the radar hoping they just let me stay. None of us would.

03-03-2017 , 06:18 PM

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Lol at this post. My parents were immigrants. They didn't sneak into the country, they went through the process.

Lol at you even guessing what I sacrifice or not for my family. Hahahah.

Yeah, exactly, the personal risk to your parents or the risk you subject yourself to to take care of your kids are both way smaller than those taken on by the immigrants you so deplore. Feel free to tell me where this is wrong, it doesn't really sound like we disagree other than you being upset at the characterization.

03-03-2017 , 06:18 PM

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It's pretty telling that his only example came from "The gateway pundit," a known conservative fake news site.

https://mediamatters.org/research/20...y-wrong/215106

But it also misses the point. A hate crime isn't "fake" just because it was carried out by a minority! That's really, really dumb. People of all types do terrible things. This doesn't make their crimes "fake," they don't get a get out of jail free card for committing a crime while brown. In fact, it's kind of the opposite.

03-03-2017 , 06:20 PM

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I don't deplore anyone. Millions of Mexicans do it the right way, good for them and I want them to stay and prosper. The people who choose to break those laws and rules may face the consequences of those actions. Sorry.

03-03-2017 , 06:21 PM

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Even if we agreed that laws have to be respected, it doesn't mean that any punishment for breaking them is reasonable.

Deportation after 10 years is an extreme and excessive punishment.

03-03-2017 , 06:23 PM

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Yeah, but you live in a first world country with access to education, jobs, clean water, an affordable place to live, there's no rampant warfare going on in the U.S., etc. Not everybody is in the same situation as you, in fact by living in the U.S. you're one of the luckiest people alive. The vast majority of people in the world are in a much different situation. So, no. It's certainly not that simple.

If you were located in El Salvador, the country with the highest murder rate in the world, and your kids were trapped with you there, do you think you might see the situation differently?

03-03-2017 , 06:24 PM

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Even if we agreed that laws have to be respected, it doesn't mean that any punishment for breaking them is reasonable.

Deportation after 10 years is an extreme and excessive punishment.

No, it's really not. Why do you consider it so extreme? The dude isn't supposed to be here. A friend of mine was from Ireland and shouldn't have been here, he was 7 years over his allowance. They deported him on the spot at the airport. Shrug. It happens. He knew he was wrong and he accepted it.

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