Wil, trolling time is over, the left has virtually no power. If you truly are a "liberal" now is the time to step up. Surely you can see that Trump and Bannon are the only real threat to your values now. Can go back to trolling SJWs in 2021 when we hopefully have a sane President again.

It is.

trump has just banned many, mostly Muslim, British (presumably applies to all other countries) citizens as well because dual nationality is fairly common and anyone who is also a citizen of one of the banned countries is now not allowed into the USA even if they have British passports.

The protests are absolutely vital. Great to see the victory yesterday but it's small beer compared to the many who are not now able to travel.

It's a tough competition but that probably wins. I think the above is unbelievably ****ed up as well.

A contender for most ****ed - What about USA citizens who hold dual citizenship? Will they be allowed back in?

Not here please Kerowo.


nor this


Discussing protests is fine but can we cut out the name calling please.

Refugee released from JFK said he likes Trump

Nice response except for I was referring to the Inaugural protests. Sorry you spent so much time in your preparation for nothing. Maybe someday you'll get me with one of your gotchas.

In Kerowo's defense, what is he doing wrong other than being the lovable nutjob that we all laugh at? I didn't find those posts to be even slightly offensive or non-PC. Do you have new rules?

Why aren't Dan's posts saying nothing getting warnings as well?

It appears that Chez is bending over backwards to make sure he doesn't use his pimp hand on the conservatives. Gotta keep up the appearance of fairness and all.

Like any other policy, there will be winners and there will be losers.

In the short term this is the right move for Trump regarding the refugees.

The warnings were for your series of posts that make it about the poster.

If you have a query about a moderating decision that please take it to one of the moderating threads. The !!! one if it's more about me than a query as to why or why not particular post was moderated


As above can we keep this out of content threads please

You think it's ok that British citizens can no longer go to the USA just because they hold dual citizenship?

I don't think it's ok. It appears there are scenarios like this that should be fixed.

I agree with temporarily stopping the immigration of refugees from high risk countries.

The countries we're stopping them from are responsible for no domestic terrorism since at least 1975.

ok

You think the USA needs even higher levels of scrutiny than they already have? I can't even imagine how that's possible.

I know the vetting is already very strict and involves numerous agencies. I remember watching testimony of military leaders to congress expressing concern in regards to our ability to accurately screen folks from those countries I pointed out. It seems to me that we can help in other ways until we are 100% sure. I'm of the opinion that it only takes a few individuals to sneak through to cause a catastrophic event. I don't think past statistics are as relevant given the world we live in now. There were no Islamic terror attacks on US soil until the first World Trade Center bombing. Ten years later we had 911. I think reducing any risk we can is extremely prudent.

What risk?

That post didn't take long to write and I'm always happy to educate you on the productiveness and ferocity of the opposition to Trump. Thanks for your concern, though!

Ray Rice's wife apologized for her role in her beating.

Isn't not letting anyone in the only way to have zero risk of someone who enters the country doing something very bad?

This order is nothing short of a national disgrace. Embarrassing for us. Hopefully it won't stand.

National disgrace to put a temporary ban on importing 3rd world fanatic welfare leaches?

wew lad

Have you bothered looking at the executive order?

Many veterans disapprove of Muslim ban, recalling those who helped them overseas. A Marine wrote an op-ed in the New York Times about an Iraqi interpreter who served alongside US troops with distinction, finally obtained refugee status, and is now banned from coming here.

Silicon Valley leaders denounce Muslim ban as bad for business and un-American

Rob Portman (R-OH) accuses Trump of not vetting the plan before releasing it; even Mitch McConnell says "we don't have religious tests in this country". John McCain says it will give ISIS more propaganda. This article from the Brookings Institution blasts the order for "the astonishing incompetence of its drafting and construction" (an apt summary of the Trump presidency thus far) and says it appears not to have been reviewed by the DHS, DoJ, DoD, or National Security Council lawyers.

Trump only bans countries where he has business interests, leading to questions of whether he did this with business interests in mind

To those who want to stiff the people who risked their own lives and those of their family to help the US army,

Do you realize the US is probably going to go to war with another country in the future? Do you realize that the support of locals is going to be crucial in the succes of such a war? Do you realize that those locals are reading what is going on right now?

Even if, for some reason, you don't care about the people who've helped in the past, it is still in the interest of the US to take care of them.

Signed,
Some European commie

Have you?

Here is the full text:
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/po...-ban-refugees/

The only country mentioned in the entire executive order is Syria, as it specifically pertains to Syrian nationals attempting to enter the US as refugees. So where does Iraq, Iran, et al. come from? Why are those countries subject to the 90 day visa suspension?

That section of law is directed to the Visa Waiver Program, specifically to countries selected by....the Obama administration as countries being specifically targeted for restrictions due to being an area of concern:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/...waiver-program

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1187

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/internati...ention-act-faq

Can Trump change the designated countries? Nope, not without a Congressional change in the law. So all of the talk about Trump selecting those countries because of business conflicts or because he's targeting Muslims is completely false; they were already selected for him by the Obama administration and he cannot change it unless Congress changes it.

So what is this? In essence, Trump is using Obama's law (Terrorism Travel Prevention Act of 2015 and 8 USC 1187) using the same DHS policy implemented by Obama through DHS chair Jeh Johnson in February 2016 (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/...waiver-program), on countries specifically chosen by Congress and approved by Obama, and enforcing the law set out by Congress during Obama's administration in the form of a 90-day ban on the countries designated as an area of concern.

So the time to protest was during Obama's administration when Obama and Congress were doing all of these things, and certainly civil rights groups knew about the laws that Obama had passed and the consequences:
https://www.niacaction.org/update-fr...ctions-may-12/

but yet the media did not blow it up while Obama was in office.

This is a multi-layered troll that also satisfies one of the promises that Trump had made. If you are only getting upset about this now, then you are a hypocrite of the highest order because Trump is only enforcing the immigration laws passed by Obama on countries specifically selected by Obama and Congress as areas of concern, by using the same DHS policy as Obama in the form a 90 day visa suspension, just like what Obama had done to Iraqi refugees previously (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qae...ry?id=20931131). It also discredits the media, who in this particular instance are spewing lies by omission regarding how the countries were chosen in the first place and the source of the laws of the executive order.