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08-15-2017 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
OK so you admit you have no proof?

Got it.
It's to do with his alleged membership of the Historical Order of Vitez, which he denies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Vit%C3%A9z

The Tablet's refutation mainly rests on the fact that he denies it. (And the writer tries to claim that Gorka's father couldn't be a fascist because he was anti-Communist, which... fails to make sense.) However, two leading members of the order in Hungary told The Forward that Gorka was indeed sworn in after an introduction by his father. He says he just uses the 'v' middle initial and wears the tunic and badge in his father's memory.

He also seems to have supported a now-banned paramilitary group called the Hungarian Guard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka
08-15-2017 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
It's to do with his alleged membership of the Historical Order of Vitez, which he denies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Vit%C3%A9z

The Tablet's refutation mainly rests on the fact that he denies it. (And the writer tries to claim that Gorka's father couldn't be a fascist because he was anti-Communist, which... fails to make sense.) However, two leading members of the order in Hungary told The Forward that Gorka was indeed sworn in after an introduction by his father. He says he just uses the 'v' middle initial and wears the tunic and badge in his father's memory.

He also seems to have supported a now-banned paramilitary group called the Hungarian Guard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka
OK? But the Wiki itself says some conflicting things :

People who have worked with Gorka have said that he is not anti-Semitic. In February 2017 Congressman and Israel Allies Caucus Co-Chair Trent Franks called Gorka "the staunchest friend of Israel and the Jewish people."[83] The Forward's Nathan Guttman responded to Franks' remarks with a statement that co-chair Franks "did not offer any evidence to refute the reports on Gorka’s ties with the Hungarian groups" the Hungarian National Committee and the New Democratic Coalition—as well as former members of Jobbik.[84]

Michael Rubin of the American Enterprise Institute has said Gorka "is about as anti-Semitic as [Israel Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu. That is, not at all."[54] Tibor Navracsics, an EU commissioner, member of the Hungarian Fidesz political party and former colleague of Gorka, also defended Gorka, stating that Gorka "has spent his life battling fascists and anti-Semites of all sorts"[85]

Writing in the Jerusalem Post, Bruce Abramson and Jeff Ballabon argue that the Forward's articles are partisan attacks with no merit.[86] Sarah N. Stern, of the Endowment for Middle East Truth has called Gorka "a true friend to Israel and the Jewish people," adding, "It is folly to 'cry wolf' [about anti-Semitism] at a time like this, when there are already too many wolves in the fold."[87] Peter Beinart, writing in the Forward, says the evidence doesn't support the magazine's charges of antisemitism.[88]


I mean, I can read. Is it CLEAR that he's a...fascist or something?

I'm open to reading about it, I'm just saying your link doesn't prove anything to me. Feel free to provide more info?
08-15-2017 , 08:23 AM
Ahahahaha...

Go to "Lists of Dictatorships by Death toll"

Scroll past A LOT OF OTHER STUFF!



And that's not even getting to the part about them being called 'dictators'.



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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Communism Death Toll:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_death_toll

Go to "Lists of Dictatorships by Death toll"

Here are Antifa's tennets and their support of Communism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion



How can you be this ignorant????
08-15-2017 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Iron Tamer
its disgusting how many people here openly support antifa, mods censor people for speaking remotely good of the people in Charlotte yet people here recieve no sanction for loving antifa
What on earth is the bolded a reference to?
08-15-2017 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I mean, I can read. Is it CLEAR that he's a...fascist or something?

I'm open to reading about it, I'm just saying your link doesn't prove anything to me. Feel free to provide more info?
It's not very clear, no. He doesn't go around being openly white-supremacist or anti-Semitic, and he has Jewish supporters, perhaps because he's anti-Islamist -- or Islamophobic according to some.

But he's an odd fish, and in Hungary he was pretty clearly on the nationalist right. The sticky thing about the Order of Vitez is that its wartime members collaborated with the Nazis. Gorka doesn't seem to mind that, because his father was a postwar member of the revived order, when it was more about anti-Communism.

But the US State Department does regard the Order of Vitez as a Nazi-linked organisation, and membership is 'reportable' in immigration terms. If he does or did belong to it, he should have reported it when seeking a visa or naturalisation. (This would give him a strong motive to deny membership now.)

The Atlantic suggested that despite his White House role he probably does not have security clearance, because the Order of Vitez thing would throw up a vetting problem.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...g-fail/519843/
08-15-2017 , 10:04 AM
The other Gorka in the regime worked to end the funding of a white supremacist de-radicalization initiative.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b09096429943b6

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Trump aides, including Katharine Gorka, a controversial national security analyst known for her anti-Muslim rhetoric, were already working toward eliminating Life After Hate’s grant and to direct all funding toward fighting what the president has described as “radical Islamic terrorism.”

Gorka told Selim and Gersten she didn’t agree with the Obama administration’s approach to countering violent extremism ― particularly the way the administration had described the threat of extremism, according to Nate Snyder, an Obama administration DHS counterterrorism official who was an adviser on Countering Violent Extremism efforts and was given a readout of the meeting.*The Trump administration has repeatedly criticized the previous administration for avoiding terms like “radical Islam” out of concern that it could alienate Muslims in the U.S. and abroad.
08-15-2017 , 10:31 AM
Gorka to the Left is basically "My conspiracy theories are valid, my opponent's evidence is ****."
08-15-2017 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 6ix
Ahahahaha...

Go to "Lists of Dictatorships by Death toll"

Scroll past A LOT OF OTHER STUFF!



And that's not even getting to the part about them being called 'dictators'.
There's only one end of Communism, Comrade.

Here's a secret for you.

08-15-2017 , 10:34 AM
Gorka is unqualified and incompetent.
08-15-2017 , 10:36 AM
I don't get the free speech above all else sentiment..?

We don't have it, really. If you think you do, you're delusional. So thinking its more important than the feelings of Nazis is ridiculous
08-15-2017 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Gorka is unqualified and incompetent.
Now, that could be a legitimate argument. Of course, it would help if you had a link to something he's done or said recently (within the last two weeks).

Unless you'd just prefer mudslinging.
08-15-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Now, that could be a legitimate argument. Of course, it would help if you had a link to something he's done or said recently (within the last two weeks).

Unless you'd just prefer mudslinging.
Aren't you the guy who didn't even know what a gulag is and you're talking about legitimate arguments?
08-15-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Westley
I don't get the free speech above all else sentiment..?

We don't have it, really. If you think you do, you're delusional. So thinking its more important than the feelings of Nazis is ridiculous
How old are you?

When it comes to the Government, we absolutely DO have it. Or as close to having it as anyone has society ever gotten.

When you defend Free Speech, you defend YOUR free speech. Do you want Donald Trump telling you what you can and cannot say?
08-15-2017 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Aren't you the guy who didn't even know what a gulag is and you're talking about legitimate arguments?
Deflecting are we? Good move.
08-15-2017 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Deflecting are we? Good move.
Not at all. I'm thinking that being shown not to know even basic history, being repeatedly owned because you can't think things through and simply react, that you're not a good judge of what a good argument is. Pearls before swine and all that.
08-15-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
How old are you?

When it comes to the Government, we absolutely DO have it. Or as close to having it as anyone has society ever gotten.

When you defend Free Speech, you defend YOUR free speech. Do you want Donald Trump telling you what you can and cannot say?


What difference does my age make?

Without consequence:

Can you say what you want at a trump rally?
Can you go into a police station and tell them all you hate cops and think they're scum?
Can you shout bomb on a plane?
Can you make racist comments on this forum?
Can you encourage others to kill?
Can you incite hatred against minority groups?
08-15-2017 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Not at all. I'm thinking that being shown not to know even basic history, being repeatedly owned because you can't think things through and simply react, that you're not a good judge of what a good argument is. Pearls before swine and all that.
Still deflecting. Sweet. You're good at this.
08-15-2017 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Westley
What difference does my age make?

Without consequence:

Can you say what you want at a trump rally?
Can you go into a police station and tell them all you hate cops and think they're scum?
Can you shout bomb on a plane?
Can you make racist comments on this forum?
Can you encourage others to kill?
Can you incite hatred against minority groups?
Because your position sounds like it comes from a child. And your list seems to confirm it.

Read this and....well, I'd say get back to us. How about just consider yourself more educated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo..._United_States
08-15-2017 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Still deflecting. Sweet. You're good at this.
Aren't you the guy who didn't even know what a gulag is and you're talking about legitimate arguments?
08-15-2017 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Aren't you the guy who didn't even know what a gulag is and you're talking about legitimate arguments?
You got nothing, huh. Good on you.
08-15-2017 , 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wil318466
OK? But the Wiki itself says some conflicting things :

People who have worked with Gorka have said that he is not anti-Semitic. In February 2017 Congressman and Israel Allies Caucus Co-Chair Trent Franks called Gorka "the staunchest friend of Israel and the Jewish people."[83] The Forward's Nathan Guttman responded to Franks' remarks with a statement that co-chair Franks "did not offer any evidence to refute the reports on Gorka’s ties with the Hungarian groups" the Hungarian National Committee and the New Democratic Coalition—as well as former members of Jobbik.[84]

Michael Rubin of the American Enterprise Institute has said Gorka "is about as anti-Semitic as [Israel Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu. That is, not at all."[54] Tibor Navracsics, an EU commissioner, member of the Hungarian Fidesz political party and former colleague of Gorka, also defended Gorka, stating that Gorka "has spent his life battling fascists and anti-Semites of all sorts"[85]

Writing in the Jerusalem Post, Bruce Abramson and Jeff Ballabon argue that the Forward's articles are partisan attacks with no merit.[86] Sarah N. Stern, of the Endowment for Middle East Truth has called Gorka "a true friend to Israel and the Jewish people," adding, "It is folly to 'cry wolf' [about anti-Semitism] at a time like this, when there are already too many wolves in the fold."[87] Peter Beinart, writing in the Forward, says the evidence doesn't support the magazine's charges of antisemitism.[88]


I mean, I can read. Is it CLEAR that he's a...fascist or something?

I'm open to reading about it, I'm just saying your link doesn't prove anything to me. Feel free to provide more info?
It's not exactly clear if he is or isn't. There's plenty of circumstantial evidence that he belonged to a far right organization that's been pretty bad, but he's not really known for anything but his Islam =terrorism thing so he doesn't really have a list of things he's said outside of his shtick.
08-15-2017 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
You got nothing, huh. Good on you.
Kind of gets the the heart of it, doesn't it? You wouldn't even know if I did or didn't.
08-15-2017 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
There's only one end of Communism, Comrade.

Here's a secret for you.

Your rampant idiocy got this forum closed. Good job.
08-15-2017 , 11:16 AM
08-15-2017 , 11:17 AM
JiggyMac,

Ok, srsly, in honor of the forum ending, I will donate actual money to a charity selected if you can articulate thoroughly how and why that post you just made logically follows my post.

I mean, you're totally ****ing deplorable but I'm sure you have some charity you like that would benefit from an extra donation.

      
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