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08-14-2017 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dereds
You should want to prevent Nazi's from contributing to 2+2, this forum is also like 5 minutes old and has rule changes more frequently than half the posters here wash so it's not like there's a precedent that matters.
For what it is worth, I agree with this.
08-14-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dereds
You should want to prevent Nazi's from contributing to 2+2, this forum is also like 5 minutes old and has rule changes more frequently than half the posters here wash so it's not like there's a precedent that matters.
They should want to prevent idiots from contributing here as well. I won't say any nameds. I'm about 100% sure no Nazis are regular posters in this forum.

Fear Monger!
08-14-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I think the bussing in and paying of antifa is quite believable since it has been done before.

The actors part seems less likely, but certainly possible.
So no. I guess keep on keeping on with the white supremacy talking points without any proof.
08-14-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
For what it is worth, I agree with this.
For what it is worth, I too would like to keep the Nazis out of here.
08-14-2017 , 12:24 PM
Mongo,

It's Bar Mitzvah. I don't see how you keep putting the extra 't' in there if you actually went through it. The "Bar" part just means "son" and is common knowledge enough among Jews that it would be a little surprising if you didn't know that even without any Hebrew school or going through a Bar Mitzvah.

Also Jews don't generally propagate George Soros conspiracy theories and we generally are not reluctant to take sides against Nazis.
08-14-2017 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I never said I was a good Jew. I actually stopped practicing after my Bart Mitzvah. My parents wanted me to continue going to Sunday school. Unfortunately, that was on football day. I've been to a synogogue maybe 5 times since.
Do you think lying about being Jewish is going to help you win this argument? You could have at least done the minimum amount of research, like looking up what days Jews worship.
08-14-2017 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dereds
You should want to prevent Nazi's from contributing to 2+2, this forum is also like 5 minutes old and has rule changes more frequently than half the posters here wash so it's not like there's a precedent that matters.
Yeah, just label posters you don't like Nazis and ban them.

Easy game.
08-14-2017 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I'm responding to the false statement made by Cow that they were peacefull protesters. There are rumors that George Soros bussed in paid antifa and hired actors to play nazis to make it look worse than it was. I think it's time Soros gets investigated. If this is true, he is inciting violence.

Stop with the apologist nonsense. your narrow mindedness is keeping you from seeing an otherwise beautiful world.
It's obvious that the antifa/hippies/whatever are all being organized and deployed strategically.

Again, if you closely watch the videos the "fighting" isn't very serious at all. When people really want to hurt each other they don't send in the 180 lb girl with blue hair to swing, they send in the 25 year old dudes with clubs and start wrecking shop.

Neither side were all that violent. They were throwing stuff and calling each other names, some scuffles, but they weren't actually pulling out knives and bats and seriously trying to hurt each other.

The problem with this analysis is one guy got into his car and plowed into a group of people and killed someone, which changed the entire dynamic. So none of the above matters anymore. It's unfortunate to say this, but nothing could have worked out better for Antifa than to have that lunatic do exactly what he did.

It was a complete and total loss for the nationalist movement. Awful from top to bottom and could possibly be a very important event when this is all said and done and we look back.
08-14-2017 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Do you think lying about being Jewish is going to help you win this argument? You could have at least done the minimum amount of research, like looking up what days Jews worship.
Sunday would be "Hebrew School" generally.

American or not? Now Jewish or not? He's definitely deceitful, but it's hard to tell what's trolling, ignorance, propaganda?
08-14-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
read the article. one man in the Oathkeepers wanted to arm the protestors. he was met with massive resistance from the other leaders and members of the group and eventually he either quit or was kicked out and the head of OK put out a video attacking his character and claiming he was a wife abuser.

this is an antigovernment group that had pointed guns at federal agents at the bundy ranch. when the dude wanted to march with blacks at ferguson, the leaders of the Oathkeepers declined and instead advocated working with local authorities.

so the group that portrays itself as a check on govt overreach and has resisted the govt at every other event, preferred to work with the govt rather than allow black ppl to exercise their 2nd amendment rights and march alongside them.

the guy in the article, the guy that you are confused about, was absolutely gobsmacked that at the resistance he faced and the realization that he had joined a racist right wing group genuinely floored him.

he proly should get the "raised by wolves" award.
There's more to it than that. It may have been perceived as not "wanting to arm blacks" by the person who was told not to pursue a course of action. It may have been for different reasons, but perceived as racial.

When the Bundy showdown happened, some of the men there lamented about the lack of blacks on their side to stand with them. That doesn't sound like a group who hates blacks to me. There have been multiple videos I've watched where militia groups who are perceived as anti-government racists are actually the opposite. They believe in the constitution and the law of the land being followed. As long as those are met, they are fine with everything, and care much more about what you believe in than your skin color.

That being said, there are too many of them and it's too confusing to parcel out who is who, so I don't bother. It's not like I'm looking to run around in the forests and play GI Joe.
08-14-2017 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Sunday would be "Hebrew School" generally.

American or not? Now Jewish or not? He's definitely deceitful, but it's hard to tell what's trolling, ignorance, propaganda?
Don't the 4Chan losers make minority Twitter accounts to bother liberals and minorites? It's attempting to claim the identity of the minority which is where they think the power of the argument lies.
08-14-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
This post is over the line. Anything more along these lines and you or anybody else posting this crap will be issued a timeout.
While it sounds conspiracy-theorist-like, what did he say that was ACTUALLY over the line?

You have a media that is caught multiple times admitting they are pushing a false narrative, along with people who create fake hate crimes to create an environment that favors their causes. These aren't opinion, they are fact. What is over the line about someone lamenting it's possible things are being coordinated in a nefarious way?

It's OBVIOUS that things are being coordinated on the left. THEY ADMIT IT.

I do not wish to push conspiracy theories but at this point I'd bet it's more likely than not. All of this is coming from somewhere.
08-14-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Mongo,

It's Bar Mitzvah. I don't see how you keep putting the extra 't' in there if you actually went through it. The "Bar" part just means "son" and is common knowledge enough among Jews that it would be a little surprising if you didn't know that even without any Hebrew school or going through a Bar Mitzvah.

Also Jews don't generally propagate George Soros conspiracy theories and we generally are not reluctant to take sides against Nazis.
Mongo is actually a derogatory term used against Asians. Any good self respecting liberal Jew should know that and would never use it in such a way.

Shame.
08-14-2017 , 12:51 PM
Prejudiced against wil318466.

Who's the real racists here?
08-14-2017 , 12:53 PM
@Microbet. I dont think you were using it an an insult but if you could shorten it to Mongi instead that would be appreciated.

It is a derogatory term for someone who suffers from Down's Syndrome (at least on this side of the pond)
08-14-2017 , 12:56 PM
FWIW I'm just kidding about me taking offense.
08-14-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
While it sounds conspiracy-theorist-like, what did he say that was ACTUALLY over the line?

You have a media that is caught multiple times admitting they are pushing a false narrative, along with people who create fake hate crimes to create an environment that favors their causes. These aren't opinion, they are fact. What is over the line about someone lamenting it's possible things are being coordinated in a nefarious way?

It's OBVIOUS that things are being coordinated on the left. THEY ADMIT IT.

I do not wish to push conspiracy theories but at this point I'd bet it's more likely than not. All of this is coming from somewhere.
I don't really agree it is an organized conspiracy. The left right now are just tools of the unfettered globalist capitalist machine. The machine lives to fuel itself without any part even fully realizing their own part in the process.
08-14-2017 , 12:58 PM
Monger is descriptive of the poster's intended style.

Context- "mongering racist acrimony by spreading rumors about violence."
08-14-2017 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Mongo,

It's Bar Mitzvah. I don't see how you keep putting the extra 't' in there if you actually went through it. The "Bar" part just means "son" and is common knowledge enough among Jews that it would be a little surprising if you didn't know that even without any Hebrew school or going through a Bar Mitzvah.

Also Jews don't generally propagate George Soros conspiracy theories and we generally are not reluctant to take sides against Nazis.
I kind off confused the Bat Mitzvah and Bar Mitzvah parts.

Please call me by my name instead of that very offensive name you use. Thanks!
It is very offensive on this side of the pond as well.
08-14-2017 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
There's more to it than that. It may have been perceived as not "wanting to arm blacks" by the person who was told not to pursue a course of action. It may have been for different reasons, but perceived as racial.

When the Bundy showdown happened, some of the men there lamented about the lack of blacks on their side to stand with them. That doesn't sound like a group who hates blacks to me. There have been multiple videos I've watched where militia groups who are perceived as anti-government racists are actually the opposite. They believe in the constitution and the law of the land being followed. As long as those are met, they are fine with everything, and care much more about what you believe in than your skin color.

That being said, there are too many of them and it's too confusing to parcel out who is who, so I don't bother. It's not like I'm looking to run around in the forests and play GI Joe.
The don't hate blacks at least as one imagines "hating" as some kind of visceral hatred, but they do see things from a frame of white identity. I'd recommend you watch the Van Jones/ Infowars youtube video of them going back and forth (it's a long video though). Van Jones sets up the issue nicely. They talk about being civil libertarians, of being against the government when it oversteps etc, but Van Jones asks them, if they're against government overreach why was their immediate reaction not to side with the Ferguson protesters, but to call Black Lives Matter a terrorist organization and to side with law enforcement when the FBI reports clearly show the local government was clearly harassing and using the local mostly black population as a piggy bank, the kind of thing that would set the civil libertarian militiamen into an anti government frenzy?

Van Jones doesn't go into it, but the reason is because the militiamen don't really care too much about government overreach in the terms that African Americans put it, because when African Americans talk about governmental overreach they usually put it in terms taking away from African Americans or denying African Americans something in service of white people or the government being predatory on poor blacks etc, which if you're coming from a white identity standpoint, is something you don't want to admit or you want to negate or you don't understand. While white identity many times sees government overreach as taking something away from whites and giving it to minorities and/or people who "cut in line" which is why they usually skew away from liberalism generally.

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08-14-2017 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Monger is descriptive of the poster's intended style.

Context- "mongering racist acrimony by spreading rumors about violence."
This sounds a lot like excuses racist white people make to use adjectives derived from words originally used to slander black people. I could give examples if you wish, but I hope you get the point.

Making excuses is a real bad look. Best just to recognize a mistake was made and learn from it and move on.
08-14-2017 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Don't the 4Chan losers make minority Twitter accounts to bother liberals and minorites? It's attempting to claim the identity of the minority which is where they think the power of the argument lies.
Dunno. I hardly know anything about 4chan and have never once been on their site. But an extention of "I have a black friend who agrees with me" is something that might pass for clever among extremely dumb people.
08-14-2017 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
While it sounds conspiracy-theorist-like, what did he say that was ACTUALLY over the line?

You have a media that is caught multiple times admitting they are pushing a false narrative, along with people who create fake hate crimes to create an environment that favors their causes. These aren't opinion, they are fact. What is over the line about someone lamenting it's possible things are being coordinated in a nefarious way?

It's OBVIOUS that things are being coordinated on the left. THEY ADMIT IT.

I do not wish to push conspiracy theories but at this point I'd bet it's more likely than not. All of this is coming from somewhere.
The only way these right wing *******s could ever be mad at a Nazi demonstration is if those Nazis turned out to be fake Nazis paid by liberals. Just amazing, amazing stuff coming to light in this thread.
08-14-2017 , 01:10 PM
chezlaw getting a lot better at spotting derogatory terms and their application when it comes to microbet disagreeing with mongi
08-14-2017 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
chezlaw getting a lot better at spotting derogatory terms and their application when it comes to microbet disagreeing with mongi
Somehow missed wil's conspiritarding, but it's a learning curve.

      
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