Their candidate just won the presidency, so, um.

wil tried to assert the right wing nutjobs were peaceful, and it was the leftists who went down there looking for a fight. Carrying an assault rifle and wearing a flak jacket isn't looking for peace.

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I completely disagree, and I think the idea of American exceptionalism is a farce.

This country was built on the exploitation of Native Americans, and then Africans, for the advancement of white Europeans.

mongidig, JiggyMac, BroadwaySushy, pay attention here and you'll learn something about America.

Slavery and The Civil War happened a long time ago, but you can still hear the echos in America, and you can still see very clear dividing lines. Politically, the country is generally split between the north and south.





















Look at these US presidential election maps going back 25 years. Now look at this map of slave states, states open to slavery, and prohibitionist states.







Rather interesting, isn't it? Can you see the clear dividing lines?


This is just politically. There are dividing socio-economic lines all throughout America. The criminal justice system is entirely stacked against black people.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-fa...b_8078586.html



(2) When black people are arrested for a crime, they are convicted more often than white people arrested for the same crime.
...

(3) When black people are convicted of a crime, they are more likely to be sentenced to incarceration compared to whites convicted of the same crime.



https://www.aclu.org/other/race-and-death-penalty


Education in America is not working to elevate the lives of black people.



http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-pl...tunity-n305196


Black people do not have equal status in our country. They don't have equality of opportunity, or representation. Compare 1 black president with 44 white presidents.

So The American Civil War may have happened a long time ago, and black people have had the right to vote for a long time, and it's been a long time since the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but there is still no equality for black people. Legally, one would expect there to be, but because of widespread racism that remains, particularly in the south, they do not have equality.

That is why it is so disgusting to see a bunch of far right wing groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis gather to "unite the right" under Trump, and protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee, who was a heroic Civil War General for the Confederacy. This is a man that led troops into battle against fellow country men to try to retain the legal right to own black people as slaves. This is also why it is so important to fight against bigotry, and for equality anywhere and everywhere there is a fight to be had.

This is just mentioning black people, this says nothing of Muslims, the LGBT, Jews, which are all people that these hate groups discriminate, and commit hate crimes against.

So for all of you suggesting the opposition to these hate groups in Charlottesville should have just stayed home, while at the same time saying the hate groups had every right to be there, own up to the side you're on, because we all know what side it is.

It's both and so much more.

But, I'm not here to educate you ****ing simpletons, all that ended around about 11.08.16. I'm not getting paid for this ****.

Nothing in general, but in the context of the convo you jumped in, you don't understand because you also can't ****ing read.

Do you think a BLM activist would think you were on their side? I seriously doubt it.

You aren't getting paid? No wonder you get so agitated. I would probably get upset too if it wasn't for the $$$$.

Why?

Not to brake the record, but wil literally can't read.

Uh, everything you just quoted is the reason BLM exists. That sort of stuff is their foundation.

Like here's a fun tip: a lot of BLM activists aren't liberals. They are leftists.

The reason you guys are so ****ing bad at this isn't that you consume from a sheltered bubble of right wing media, it's that you're so sheltered you don't even know that it's a bubble. What the **** do you think the conventional mainstream left wing view on BLM is here?

Yeah I even neglected to mention the countless black men that are gunned down by police with zero repercussions.

Not just BLM. I consider myself more of a liberal than most of the posters on these sites. The whole idea of framing socioeconomic issues around racial identity politics is very illiberal IMO. Probably why the right and the left love to appeal to racial identity politics so much.

I'll retract this statement. It was sarcasm as much as anything and I am trying to avoid devolving into sarcastic personal attacks.

Uh huh.

Have you considered getting the **** out of here with this weak bull****?

On your point of America being built on the exploitation of others this is completely not true. If slavery and exploitation was good for a country then the south would've won the war and we'd know the war as the War of Northern Aggression.

Slavery ******s growth. Its why Athens>Sparta, its why Rome fell, its why the arabic states became so backwards after gaining hegemony, history is replete with slavery killing countries and the US is no exception. Why do you think that by the time of the civil war the north was far richer? Slavery is good for the slave owning class and no other. It depresses wages and kills innovation.

this idea that slavery built American wealth is completely bunk. I hope you realize this because that reading of history is just wrong.

If you are refering to the land the whites took from the natives that is slightly more debatable but I would just point out that most of the Natives died from Eurasian diseases and right of conquest was the rule of the land at the time. No one cries for the millions of Greeks displaced in Anatolia or the dozens of major tribes killed off during the Hungarian Migration.

America was not built on conquest or exploitation, if that is what makes countries great then the Mongols and the Russian's would be on top of the list. Human ingenuity unlocked by US laws and freedom is what made America unique and what made it rich.

So, given that these Nazis are spoiling for a fight, possibly are nutjobs and they carry guns and ****, do you think it is wise to go and confront them?

It may be noble, but is it wise?

It's great how wil Wrong-Un identifies with people who'd gladly put his family into an oven.

Hey AL, have you come up with any content yet?

also the political lines show a urban coast vs middle America divide rather than a Yankee/Dixie one.

Hey SoShyt, wander over to the grown-ups forum and check it out for yourself.

Oh sorry, I forgot you've been stopped from mixing with grown-ups. Guess you lived up to your sobriquet.

Slaughtering and relocating Native Americans and taking their lands isn't exploitation? Owning a person and forcing them to work like a mule isn't exploitation? Are you serious?



Iron Tamer, you know textile industries in the Northern States relied upon slave picked Southern cotton, right?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver..._United_States



http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-amer...s-cotton-king/



Your post is absolutely laughable.

I think it is very wise for communities to rise up and drive out intolerant groups such as the unite the righters. If we legitimize these groups, we end up with countries being built on the backs of slaves, and jews dying in ovens.

Do you disagree?

Southern slave states with oceanic coasts:


Texas
Louisiana
Mississippi
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
North Carolina
Virginia
Maryland
Delaware

Yeah for some reason I thought you were from Chicago, but apparently you're Canadian. All good, just kind of ridiculous to see this forum is largely just bigoted foreign right wingers who don't know anything about America trying to talk about America, and Americans pointing out how ignorant and uneducated they are.

Great discussion in this forum. Really great

yes but this is not the reason why the US rich, if conquest makes countries rich why is Russia so poor? if exploitation is the reason why is Brazil a ****hole. if slavery makes countries rich why are the SA countries who had more slaves and had them for longer so poor?

sure, and after slavery ended they made more money. The south had cotten and the north had manufactoring. The north had less than 2x the population but had what 4+ times the GDP. The southern states were backwaters because of slavery.

the idea that slavery made the US rich when it made the slave states backwaters and had the US fight a ruinous war to end it is laughable. No one is disputing that slavery wasn't big industry the dispute is whether the US is currently rich because of slavery, and that isn't even close. Slavery was a net negative in every sense of the word. It made the practitioners poor compared to the free states.