rofl they are first level thinkers and dwell on inconsequential details

Calling them thinkers is giving them far too much credit.

You and Jiggy are some aggressive wet towels. Soaked.

Typical weak strawmanning from these types. They do it all the time.

They can't refute your actual main point, so they resort to arguing about trivial details. It's pure deflection.

The main point that Fly is an ineffective bully? That's your actual main point that can't be refuted?

I'm on a long winning streak now of having somebody immediately respond with what I was thinking and was about to post.

Let's keep it going home team.

I was mostly kidding about the wil/will thing. It's an ongoing issue with people and after re-reading it, it didn't come off as funny. My bad.

As far as discussing topics close to you, in my experience it's very difficult for people to get past their own bias. For example, discussing abortion with a very religious person or Israel with a Jewish person is extremely difficult. I'm not having a very rational discussion when it comes to something like my family.

I don't think that position is out of touch. Many trans people are completely rational and understanding in other people's viewpoints. However, Allcowseatgrass is a trans person who is extremely biased in opinion. There is no rational discussion in this regard, Allcows would rather have my opinion silenced, which the mods here are supporting, than discussed.

That isn't winning an argument, it's silencing opposition. I find that abhorrent. Chez feels the need to protect Allcows's feelings, which I can understand, but Allcows surely did not win any argument at all in regards to that topic.

While you admittedly have gotten under my skin in the past, that just doesn't happen anymore. I think it's funny you have to resort to insulting my children in order to try to get a rise out of me.

The truth is you're a loser, fly. You have a bunch of internet dorks on 2+2 who follow your lead so much they even speak like you. That's not something I'd want to strive to be in life.

A few years ago I'd see studies about how conservatives were more satisfied, happier people in life compared to liberals. That confused me, as I thought liberals were so much more tolerant and open to other types of people that they surely must be more satisfied with the world around them.

I understand that now. I can't persuade people like you to stop believing in nonsense. No matter how much better things get, you'll complain about how bad things actually are. I grow tired of it.

You're a bitter loser with nothing but hate in your heart. Maybe you'll stop and appreciate things one day and stop being so intolerant. I doubt it.

Oh, absolutely not. I don't know where you freaks of nature are from, but I don't live in California or the Pacific North West. Out here on the East coast, when you get into a discussion with people and then start personally insulting them, you get a bottle broken over your head.

I don't see why you feel this need to keep threatening me, you assuredly would never lay a hand on me, especially so in Philadelphia. That's the truth.

I wound up in ops, I started as an analyst. I dunno how I wound up here. I guess I was chasing the money. I'm happy where I am, though. Maybe I'll change it up, I don't want to work this schedule much longer. I have a lot of big things happening in my life, so we'll see. I'm not forced to do it, which makes me very lucky.

No, I think many times what I say holds true. There are only a handful of life events that change your entire perspective that most of us share. Moving away from family, losing a family member, getting married, and having children are essentially the big ones. Getting married isn't even that big of a deal to many people, but having children is absolutely life-changing.

There is good reason why people change so much after having children. Perspectives and priorities change. I don't agree with most things I believed in when I was in my 20s as I do now.

As far as racial issues, I think it is more based on belief. Just as you would be suspicious of how you were treated if you were travelling to a foreign country, I believe many minorities feel the same way here in America because they are constantly told so. When someone is a jerk to me I don't start asking if they did it because my eyes are slanted. I just think they are having a bad day.

I personally think my eyes are beautiful, btw.

I freely admit that many of Trumps supporters (like me) may be overthinking his approaches to many topics and coming up with strategies he's using as a level of thinking he may not be using. That's entirely possible.

I don't find it very different from what liberals do with their sociology bull****.

That being said, I'm very satisfied in the direction he's going. I'll let ya know when I'm ready to go back the other way, OK champ?

Lying to yourself is a very easy thing to do

I actually lied to myself more when I was a liberal. I don't consider myself a conservative, but I can't call myself a liberal any longer.

I am not kidding when I say that leftists ideas are based on lies. I just got tired of lying to myself.

You aren't a Trump supporter. You wanted to be part of the winning team, so in mid-November, 2016, you changed sides after having told everyone for years you were voting for Hillary Clinton and were a "classic liberal". Until that point, your support of Trump consisted of having announced you thought he'd win because you saw rural lawn signs in PA. It's pathetic how ridiculously you lie.

This comes from a handful of garbage links posted by lunatic-fringe media organizations like The Federalist, involving self-selected polls that don't pass the laugh test. Your average conservative IRL is a completely miserable, angry, chronically complaining human being who spends half their day lamenting about how their country is being taken away from them. Just look at your average righty's social media postings; even with Trump in office, all they do is ***** and moan and fight their ridiculous imaginary battles like the "War On Christmas" or the taking away of rights of heterosexual white religious males, which exist nowhere but in their minds.

LOL. You just perfectly described the average liberal ever since the election.

And far from being miserable, most conservatives are laughing at you.

Of all the things I've said over my years on 2+2, my prediction that Trump would win was the most stressful. I think you should go back and read what I wrote the day before the election and how stressed I was that the things I were looking at were pointing to a Trump win despite all the "good" data that showed it was a lock for Hillary. People were laughing at me, and I was truly stressed about it. I couldn't wait until it was over, which I said many times.

I did not want to be part of the winning team at all. I might be able to say no claim about me ever has been more wrong than this one. I lost sleep over the election, BEFORE it happened. I don't understand how a reasonable person can come to your conclusion here.

On top of that, I had money at risk.

Not really. I think most people on the right just roll their eyes and keep on truckin'. Liberals are going to do ridiculous things like demand White people stay home from college courses for the day. That's just how liberals roll, and I think many people understand that. It's sad and pathetic, but I don't think it's worth beating anyone's ass for. I would think most right-ish people agree with me. Most, anyway.

I tend to agree with them. Including others doesn't mean I have to change my own beliefs. I'm an atheist, I have been since probably the 5th grade. I say Merry Christmas because that's exactly what it is, Christmas. If someone takes offense to that, then lol.

Mind you, I say that from a non-believing perspective. It's Christmas, not just any holiday. I don't say "Happy Holiday" on July 4th. It's a stupid argument and something that really isn't worth arguing over, but in the end, it's still ****ing Christmas.

And as far as white males, this country has deep White Christian roots. I, as a non-white, non-Christian person, am completely fine with that. Just as if I'd move to France, I'd learn to speak French, and just as if I'd move to Japan, I'd learn to live and speak Japanese.

That's just the way things are, and I don't think the minority should impose on the majority. It's a topic for discussion, without a doubt, but as far as culture goes I believe the majority has the upper hand. Rightfully so, it's their ****ing country.

From my experience most conservatives stopped paying attention to anything going on after the election. For the few that are I think you misinterpret their laughing. A common defense mechanism for anxiety obviously created by all this "winning" in just 6 months.

You are the people with all of the life issues. It's easy to see why you would be miserable. You let every little thing bother you. You don't accept things as they are. You can feel the anger in most leftist post. You can sense the rolling of eyes in most conservative posts.

Conservatives have more money and tend to be a bit more polished And capable of handling life events. I've never met a liberal who didn't have internal turmoil.

You people have baggage. We pay for people to carry our baggage. Do you see the difference?

Wait so you think it's a bad quality to not accept things as they are when improvement is attainable?

By your example you need to shut your mouth about health care and accept things as they currently are. Deal with it, right?

Is it coincidence you spoke about income and then followed it up with a sentence about handling life events? Are you implying conservatives throw money at problems to fix them? Some way to live.

Says the dog who foams at the mouth when it sees a pic of a cafe's prices.

No, that's incorrect. People who voted for Trump are very much paying attention, they are just doing their best to investigate these issues for themselves. To think all of those people came out of the woodwork to vote for him, including all those first-time voters, and just stopped paying attention afterwards is the height of absurdity.

Distrust in the media on the right is high. I don't believe a single headline about Trump until I go look it up myself. We have many reasons for this, especially with media outlets like CNN caught on tape admitting it's nonsense. Even the Boyscout's speech was a complete joke.

We don't trust you.

There are people in the media and the government who believe it is their duty to report to the American people what they believe should be believed. There are many who don't want their opinions.

This is a huge disconnect and something extremely important in you starting to understand how anyone could support such a person as Trump. Liberals literally can't believe how anyone could think Trump is anywhere close to acceptable. Try viewing it from this lens and maybe you can understand.

The world is not what you think it is. I thought recent events would prove that to you. Apparently I'm wrong.

Probably because the only people he is anywhere close to acceptable to are abhorrent and worthless PoS like you.

I'm worth a lot, actually. A lot more than you, I'd bet. About to get a lot higher, too.

Upping your hours to 100/week I guess. Must be fun never seeing your family we hear so much about, and sleeping during the day time.

No, not at all. I work at an hourly rate, plus bonus. I receive an hourly rate I'm very happy with, which is what both parties agreed to. Working an extra 4 or 40 extra hours in a week means nothing to me, as long as they pay what we both agreed to.

I see my family a lot, just at different hours than you may be accustomed to. While you're at work on a Thursday at 12pm I'm at the zoo with my kids. There are tradeoffs to working shift, and if you think they are all negative then you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. That doesn't surprise me because you are a person who likes to talk about topic after topic that you have no experience with.

Ami noticed you didn't make a comment on my worth vs yours. Lol. If I wasn't being compensated for what I do, I wouldn't do it. I think everyone here understands that except for your idiot ass.

Ha, literally every Trump supporter I know has no clue about what's going on and has no interest in finding out. They support him because they get there info from one source, fox. How do I know? Because they told me.

They have no interest in truth, a few of them steadfastly believe that English is the national language.