I think our education system is fairly good on average, but pretty variable and underfunded in many areas. My wife is a college professor. I think we could do better and it would be a good thing for us economically, over the longer term.

We don't have universal healthcare, although expanding the number of people with health insurance was really the primary goal of the ACA and it was relatively successful in that regard. But, saying that we don't have universal healthcare is not the same as saying that we do not offer quality healthcare full stop, although by many metrics the healthcare system in the US functions worse than many European countries (and in a few areas, or for wealthier people, it probably functions better). In any case, actual universal access to some minimum level of healthcare is a worthy goal.

Your sentence about Facebook, Google, and Tesla seems to be free association; it has nothing to do with education or healthcare. My main point was that emulating certain policy ideas from European countries, or adapting them for our own use, does not entail being culturally European. Whether or not we adopt or adapt such ideas should be a function of whether or not they would make us better off, rather than being some aesthetic judgement about European culture.

You know in America we all get to have a say. Whether you like it or not. Healthcare for all has nada to do with Europeans. If you dont like that Americans can lobby for healthcare for all, try moving to another country where thats not allowed.

Majority in U.S. Support Idea of Fed-Funded Healthcare System

Think one of the oddest things in the new trump world is how many trump supporters ive met who say there should be UHC of some sort. Maye because i work with mostly the lower middle class or they believed trump when he promised it. Idk but it is odd.

The values mean something. It is not a coincidence they say they work to live and Americans live to work.

We value different things. We run the best system in the world, even though it seems cruel sometimes. No one said it's perfect.

For someone who isn't on a thinktank payroll it's very, very difficult to maintain the argument that poor people should die AND America should spend, by far, the most money of any country on health care.

(this is why Dems need to run on single payer. Racists will vote for good policy!)

**** off with the we ****. Dont tread on me or determine my values. Which happen to align with most Americans. Least on healthcare.

Think if it was pushed you all might get some of those rust belters back.

I don't give a flying **** about your values or anyone else's values in particular in this thread. I'm simply stating general truths.

Americans feel very differently about socialist-like policies than other countries do. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. YOU can believe whatever you wish, that's absolutely fine, and I don't see how you could interpret what I said as you having to change your opinion.

And if we as Americans, in general, agreed with your sentiment healthcare would be addressed. It's not because exactly what I am saying.

Healthcare sucks and it's going to suck in America for the foreseeable future. I can see that and live in reality. You want some sort of miracle to happen. It's not. It sucked before the ACA, during, and will after. Everything will suck until we get single payer, which people don't want.

Whats so complicated about this?

I can accept the fact it'll always suck. You guys can't. Why?

This is true. You (singular) value the taste of boot polish, we value being respected in the workplace.

Obamacare/ACA repeal and replace was supported by less than 20% of the public, and yet that is what trump and the majority party in congress were (are still?) pushing for. So just maybe it's not a simple as that.

How about that news that Trump dictated Junior's testimony about his meeting with russian operatives? Remember his lawyer stating categorically that Trump didn't do exactly that? Oh and how about the news coming out that Trump colluded with Fox News on a story claiming a Democratic National Committee staffer was killed in retaliation for leaking Hillary Clinton’s emails to Wikileaks? Wow. Yikes.

Ouch.

Support for Single Payer Health Coverage Grows, Driven by Democrats

It looks like when you say "Americans feel differently" you mean "Republicans feel differently".

Just call the Universal Heath Care Bill the Hillary Clinton Criminal Investigation Act and it will pass and Trump will sign it.

Ah, the old American value of "Things suck and nothing we could ever do will make them better so why even try?"

No. The truth is most want government run healthcare.

Nope most want UHC and that is a fact.

i didnt. I took what you said as telling what my American values are. Don't use we if you don't want it taken that way. See we here in America get to have any values. Suck it up.

Nah. We in general as Americans agree and want universal healthcare.

It's compacated for because you think people don't want it in spite of the facts.
Because you don't believe i the right to redress the government?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...care-coverage/

"Currently, 60% of Americans say the government should be responsible for ensuring health care coverage for all Americans, compared with 38% who say this should not be the government’s responsibility."


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I suspect if you changed the wording you could get a different response, and a lot of how people view it depends on how it's been represented in the media and by popular politicians. The point is, though, that there's nothing unique about americans. They're just as willing to embrace these kinds of policies. The difference has less to do with what the general population thinks than it does with what american politicians think.

Better or worse than the average JiggyMac post?

Most people in the US that doesn't want healthcare to be offered to everyone by the government very likely already have insurance through their jobs. Other than some libertarian panties bunching up, what is the real difference if we were to get universal healthcare from the government instead of through companies? Wouldn't we then be paid more by the companies since they don't have to shell out that money for benefits?

I guess I just don't understand why everyone is so against everyone having healthcare available to their fellow citizens.

That's simply not true. We are a more successful group of people than than the Europeans are. There is a trade-off for that.

I'll take that tradeoff.

Both of you are oversimplifying the argument. The simple majority may want UHC but at what cost are they willing to do it? The idea is great. The details, not so much.

I want UHC but I don't want to pay a lot for it.

It's no where are easy as you make it out to be. And to be honest I don't think we will ever have single payer in this country. The costs come from somewhere. Someone has to pay, and there's enough people who don't want it to be burdened by everyone.

That's just the reality. Again, I don't see why you people can't see this. The political will is not there. If it was, it would be a done deal already. We know how the ACA passed - Obama said it himself that's the best they could get.

We will not have single payer in the foreseeable future. Period.

Sigh...This started with me saying we should have it. Wheather or not we will makes no difference to that view.

You have to face reality. Some gun control ideas are supported by the VAST majority of Americans. If accurate, 90% of people believe in background checks.

Should we take up that fight? Sounds like a slam dunk. Good luck with that, let me know how it works out.

Who is "we"? I just read the Washington posts poll on UHC and the support dropped a lot when asked if they were willing to pay much higher costs.

Everything has a trade-off or a cost. AT WHAT COST should we have single payer UHC? How much are YOU willing to pay, and how much do you want to decide how much *I* should pay?

We aren't stupid. We could have single payer right now if we want. Enough Americans DON'T WANT it to be a problem accomplishing that! Your 60% support numbers don't mean dick.

We is the US.