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Why names at all? What if they are nameless otherkin that day? We should all just have the same name. **** it, let's use science to create a unisex, transsexual, transhuman, interracial, height specific, fat shameless, average IQ race of proles where it's not possible to distinguish between individuals at all. Then your collectivist utopia would be complete.

But the anti TG folk are asking for less things to be different and more sameness...

07-26-2017 , 09:26 PM

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No im not. It's perfectly natural to assume that someone you are engaging with is a woman, if she looks a lot like the women you have engaged with in the past, and especially if you have never met a transgendered person. It is not prejudice.

Okay, that's a scenario you've made.

Are you ready to do the scenario nomadd posted?

07-26-2017 , 09:29 PM

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But the anti TG folk are asking for less things to be different and more sameness...

They have preconceived notions about unseen genitalia.

07-26-2017 , 09:35 PM

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They have preconceived notions about unseen genitalia.

It's the same thing as what I said before. It's totally natural to assume that someone that looks like a woman has female sex parts, especially if every experience you've ever had with peoples genitalia who look like females have had female sex parts.

It doesn't matter anyway. Respectable people do not think about genitalia when talking to someone else, unless of course sexual attraction is involved.

07-26-2017 , 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Okay, that's a scenario you've made.

Are you ready to do the scenario nomadd posted?

It's not a scenario, it's literally every single interaction I've ever had in my life.

What was his?

07-26-2017 , 09:37 PM

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I'm not sure how many to expect. We have a much smaller military than the USA and attitudes have only recently improved here.

Well, according to these numbers, there should be a 160. You are 16x under represented in the amount of Transgenders in your military. Why are your armed forces so bigoted?

Roughly 0.1% of UK is Transgeneder:
http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/Medpr...eUK-report.pdf

Total British Armed forces - 160,000
http://www.armedforces.co.uk/mod/listings/l0003.html

Will address NHS in separate post.

07-26-2017 , 09:39 PM

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What is your name? Jacky. No I can't call you that I'm going to go with jack because something something, err!

07-26-2017 , 09:42 PM

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I don't know about the figures but bigotry has been all too real. LGBT wasn't even allowed in the armed forces before 2000

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07-26-2017 , 09:44 PM

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/...lthcare-survey

Of course there is some dispute on the scoring metrics used.
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2014/07/...-rankings.html

I also noticed you're second to last on "Healthy Lives". Why isn't your care leading to better outcomes?

07-26-2017 , 09:45 PM

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I wouldn't presuppose appearance fallacies are not natural.
So why are you covering for nomadd's argument? It appears you know about respect and how that can lead to having no business minding transgender people or what they do?

07-26-2017 , 09:47 PM

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[QUOTE=JiggyMac;52609048]Of course there is some dispute on the scoring metrics used.

I also noticed you're second to last on "Healthy Lives". Why isn't your care leading to better outcomes?

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2014/07/...-rankings.html
I'm not pretending it's remotely perfect. It's not doing bad for some socialist thingy though, is it?

Notice the USA snuck into the top 11 by virtue of their only being 11 entrants

07-26-2017 , 09:47 PM

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I wouldn't presuppose appearance fallacies are not natural.

It's not a fallacy. It's based on my experience and observance and quiet self-reflection. Sorry I'm not as 'experienced' as you.

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So why are you covering for nomadd's argument? It appears you know about respect and how that can lead to having no business minding transgender people or what they do?

I don't know what his argument is. It's also not my obligation to comment on something someone in this forum says.

07-26-2017 , 09:55 PM

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It's not a fallacy. It's based on my experience and observance and quiet self-reflection. Sorry I'm not as 'experienced' as you.

I don't know what his argument is. It's also not my obligation to comment on something someone in this forum says.

Apologizing? You don't know? Okay, uh, go on then.

07-26-2017 , 09:58 PM

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A person says he feels like and is a worthless human being.

Is he worthless?

A person says he feels like and is a woman.

Is he a woman?

07-26-2017 , 10:00 PM

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They have preconceived notions about unseen genitalia.

This isn't an observation which DoNot can argue and plead away. Using an objectifier like "thing" to group people dismissively is what a preconceived notion about transgender people looks like. Is what it is.

07-26-2017 , 10:01 PM

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The left is trying to argue that gender is nothing more than a state of mind....irrelevant of reality.

07-26-2017 , 10:13 PM

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I just did argue it away. Your claim of prejudice is nonsense.

07-26-2017 , 10:13 PM

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The left is trying to argue that gender is nothing more than a state of mind....irrelevant of reality.

Nomadd devolved into a partisan tentacled blob from being chief questioner of the other's feelings.

07-26-2017 , 10:13 PM

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The left is trying to argue that gender is nothing more than a state of mind....irrelevant of reality.

But it's a social construct! No wait it's biology too!

07-26-2017 , 10:13 PM

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What is your name? Jacky. No I can't call you that I'm going to go with jack because something something, err!

Names....

Has anyone here actually argued they would not call someone by the name desired?

Far as I've seen, it's been more about which sex/gender they are. Or, in other words, sir or ma'am.

07-26-2017 , 10:15 PM

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But it's a social construct! No wait it's biology too!

So your acting excited and hyperbolic...

07-26-2017 , 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Nomadd devolved into a partisan tentacled blob from being chief questioner of the other's feelings.

Would you rather me call you all idiots who think a man is a woman, just because a man says and feel so?

07-26-2017 , 10:16 PM

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There are more then enough people out there who won't even give that courtesy. If you don't have an issue with that but do with sir and ma'am. Well that ****ed too.

07-26-2017 , 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by batair

There are more then enough people out there who won't even give that curticy. If you don't have an issue with that but do with sir and ma'am. Well that ****ed too.

requesting to be called a name that has feminine connotations is different than asking me to call a man a woman. One is a lie, the other is a name.