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The question presented is not whether, as a matter of policy, sexual orientation discrimination should be prohibited by statute, regulations, or employer action. In fact, Congress and the Executive Branch have prohibited such discrimination in various contexts. See, e.g., 18 U.S.C. 249(a)(2) (hate crimes); 42 U.S.C. 13925(b)(13)(A) (certain federal funding programs); Exec. Order 13,672 (July 21, 2014) (government contracting); Exec. Order 13,087 (May 29, 1998) (federal employment); 5 C.F.R. 300.103(c) (non-performance-accerelated treatment under the Civil Service Reform Act, 5 U.S.C. 2302(b)(10)). The sole question here is whether, as a matter of law, Title VII reaches sexual orientation discrimination. It does not, as has been settled for decades. Any efforts to amend Title VII’s scope should be directed to Congress rather than the courts.

Call your congresscritter and get it changed. I'll even support you.

07-26-2017 , 08:23 PM

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Oh, I see. I guess I should take all those kids who dress up for Halloween at face value. Do you really believe Freddy Kruger exist, or are you reasonable certain its someone else simply pretending to be him?

You sound like you are losing it, based on that hyperbolic reaction being different than when you are offering controlling rejection and editing of people's I Am statements.

Are you ideologically complementarian?

07-26-2017 , 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Here we go in your endless circles of irrelevancy. I'm not even sure you could actually say what was hyperbolic about it (don't bother, not going to read it, even if you tried).

I am Freddy Kruger, except I'm not really.

07-26-2017 , 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nomaddd

There's a ignore feature for wookie. Let me know if you want my list.

07-26-2017 , 08:36 PM

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The 'doesn't care, bye' routine is actually not new to me. C-Ya

07-26-2017 , 08:37 PM

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Jiggy table selecting for his 2p2 troll game.

07-26-2017 , 08:39 PM

#11232

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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

Here's a good question for those who believe transgenders are a thing:

Is it possible for a male-born individual who identifies as a woman to have been as oppressed by the patriarchy as a female-born woman?

I think the general thought is that male born individuals still have male privilege prior to transition. But since they identify as female they've been oppressed by societies heteronormativity

idk who can believe this nonsense

07-26-2017 , 08:44 PM

#11233

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It's all a huge joke is what it is. Critical theory eating itself.

07-26-2017 , 08:45 PM

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Were they actively suppressing themselves prior to transitioning and by which process to they atone past transgressions? Or does transitioning acquire you the necessary oppression points to vacate previous misdeeds?

07-26-2017 , 08:47 PM

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It's kinda funny how oddly emotional you trumpists can get about your thoughts of other folk's genitalia. Sad-funny, but still.

07-26-2017 , 08:47 PM

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Response from the UK (thanks trump for helping me find something that feels good from the UK - hard to find these days)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40733701

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Commanders from British armed forces have opposed any ban on transgender people serving in the military.

It comes after Donald Trump said that transgender people would not be allowed in the US military due to "tremendous" medical costs and disruption.

But British officials have supported people serving in the Army, Royal Navy and Royal Air Force.

Also in related news - this is from our right wing government!

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Adults will be able to change their gender legally without a doctor’s diagnosis under government plans that will transform British society.

Men will be able to identify themselves as women — and women as men — and have their birth certificates altered to record their new gender.

Ministers plan to tear up the existing rules that mean people have to live for two years as their desired gender before they can officially change sex.

A consultation on the Gender Recognition Bill, to be published in the autumn, will also include proposals to scrap the requirement that people get a formal medical diagnosis of “gender dysphoria” before applying to switch gender.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...-sex-sk2q2vwc0

07-26-2017 , 08:51 PM

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Response from the UK (thanks trump for helping me find something that feels good from the UK - hard to find these days)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40733701

Also in related news - this is from our right wing government!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...-sex-sk2q2vwc0

Good for the Brits.

Oh look

"BBC defence correspondent Jonathan Beale said the MoD would not provide the number of transgender people serving in the British military, but that one source had told him there were fewer than 10."

But I'm sure with their socialized healthcare, they have plenty of budget for these new procedures.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7549686.html

Hrmmmm....

07-26-2017 , 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

The 'doesn't care, bye' routine is actually not new to me. C-Ya

How did you know it was hyperbolic. You prejudged it. How did you do that? Did you have to identify what constitutes hyperbole? But, I said it, it's my words, and I feel it is not hyperbolic. What it really is does not really matter, does it?

Your arguments are bad, and that is the reason I'm not responding.

07-26-2017 , 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

what are you talking about.... ffs? Whatever name you use when addressing a male of female.

Why names at all? What if they are nameless otherkin that day? We should all just have the same name. **** it, let's use science to create a unisex, transsexual, transhuman, interracial, height specific, fat shameless, average IQ race of proles where it's not possible to distinguish between individuals at all. Then your collectivist utopia would be complete.

07-26-2017 , 08:55 PM

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Your prejudice is why you are a bigot. It's why you insist to call people what you think their genitalia look like.

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This statement is actually unintelligible.

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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

Why names at all? What if they are nameless otherkin that day?

lol

07-26-2017 , 08:56 PM

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Oh, so no bye, huh?

I don't need to argue, but can repeat the observations of the fallacy in your attacks on transgender people.

07-26-2017 , 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Oh, so no bye, huh?

I don't need to argue, but can repeat the observations of the fallacy in your attacks on transgender people.

This is the irrelevant circle again. Seems you been here awhile...I'd figured you'd be better at getting people to chase you around in circles.

07-26-2017 , 08:59 PM

#11243

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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

Communism, always one execution away from perfection.

07-26-2017 , 09:06 PM

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This is the irrelevant circle again. Seems you been here awhile...I'd figured you'd be better at getting people to chase you around in circles.

It not my fault your arguments references genitalia you can't see like you can see them, to start a circular accusation of delusion which references the genitalia which you can only imagine.

Transgender folks have no blame for your thoughts about them based on your thoughts of their genitalia.

You're it.

07-26-2017 , 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Actually it's only when addressing an attractive woman that I really think about their genitalia. Are you saying that gay guys thinking about men's genitalia is bigoted? You....BIGOT!

07-26-2017 , 09:08 PM

#11246

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

I'm not sure how many to expect. We have a much smaller military than the USA and attitudes have only recently improved here.

Re the NHS. We love to knock it and there's definitely some big issues but it's NHS#1

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...lthcare-survey

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The NHS has been judged the best, safest and most affordable healthcare system out of 11 countries analysed and ranked by experts from the influential Commonwealth Fund health thinktank.

It is the second time in a row that the study, which is undertaken every three years, has found the UK to have the highest-rated health system.

The NHS has held on to the top spot despite the longest budget squeeze in its 69-year history, serious understaffing and the disruption caused by a radical restructuring of the service in England in 2013.

Its ranking is even more notable because the thinktank found the UK to put the fourth smallest amount of GDP into healthcare among the 11 countries. While the US spends 16.6% of its national income on health, the UK comes near the bottom, investing just 9.9%. Only New Zealand (9.4%), Norway (9.3%) and Australia (9%) put in less.

07-26-2017 , 09:09 PM

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Actually it's only when addressing an attractive woman that I really think about their genitalia. Are you saying that gay guys thinking about men's genitalia is bigoted? You....BIGOT!

Wait, are you co-opting nomadd's posted arguments and asking about something else?

Oh and Mocking the descriptions of prejudices is dumb.

07-26-2017 , 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Wait, are you co-opting nomadd's posted arguments and asking about something else?

Oh and Mocking the descriptions of prejudices is dumb.

You need to reread the definitions of the words you are using.

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Prejudice: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

07-26-2017 , 09:15 PM

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You need to reread the definitions of the words you are using.

No, you are arguing some more with the dictionary and hilariously missing which, Ummm, member, of the argument under question is in the preconceived position.

07-26-2017 , 09:18 PM

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No, you are arguing some more with the dictionary and hilariously missing which, Ummm, member, of the argument under question is in the preconceived position.

No im not. It's perfectly natural to assume that someone you are engaging with is a woman, if she looks a lot like the women you have engaged with in the past, and especially if you have never met a transgendered person. It is not prejudice. It is also perfectly normal to hold onto that assumption even after meeting hundreds of transgenders, because the vast vast majority of women that identify as women also look like women.

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