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Your arguing about something which is beyond your actual scope to observe because it is a different individual than you. So your argument rests upon imagining a social construct where you tell people what and who they are based solely on what you can only imagine and never directly observe.

07-26-2017 , 04:48 PM

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5ive

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If we concluded that in fact transgenderism gave off dangerous levels of ionizing radiation, would you concur with chaining them together at the bottom of the ocean?

07-26-2017 , 04:53 PM

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If we concluded that in fact transgenderism gave off dangerous levels of ionizing radiation, would you concur with chaining them together at the bottom of the ocean?

That's clearly a social construct which proves everything is nothing because leftists.

07-26-2017 , 04:55 PM

#11179

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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

There's no such thing as 'transgender' unless you buy into the concept that gender is socially constructed.

I don't think this is true. For example, earlier in this conversation I linked this article.

"Social construction", of course, is also a relevant concept, albeit a much-misunderstood one. But, I understand saying that transgender only exists under the umbrella of social construction to be a denial that there is any biological basis to being transgender. That is very likely false.

07-26-2017 , 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

It's not any more loaded than insinuating 'white racial grievances.'

Uh.. when you just say something, you aren't insinuating it.

07-26-2017 , 05:01 PM

#11181

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Originally Posted by well named

I really do not think you understand that study. It studied the differences in white matter within the brain, and it no way implies there is an entirely different sex/gender that exist. I do not think anyone would argue that TG's brains are different, just the same as people would argue that compulsive gamblers brains are different.

Sex/Gender is a biological fact, TG is more akin to a condition of some sort.

07-26-2017 , 05:04 PM

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I really do not think you understand that study. It studied the differences in white matter within the brain, and it no way implies there is an entirely different sex/gender that exist.

I did not claim that it implied that there is an entirely different sex/gender. However, I would point out that I think you have a problem in your understanding of the relationship between conceptual categories (sex/gender) and biology. But that's not relevant to the point I was making. I only claimed that there is a biological basis to being transgender.

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I do not think anyone would argue that TG's brains are different, just the same as people would argue that compulsive gamblers brains are different.

My understanding is that the post I quoted was arguing exactly what you think it is not arguing. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's what it implies to me.

07-26-2017 , 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

Compelled speech for one. Do some research.

What is the compelled speech?

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Yes, they aren't penning legislation requiring genetic tests to use bathrooms. What I said was correct. I didn't know about the ones requiring ID and doubt it is even true. It certainly would be ridiculous to see it enforced.

I readily admit this **** all the time. Im not a member of the Republican party, and I lean conservative in my politics because I see a trend of ever increasing political dominance by the far left, which is really dangerous for both the reason that it leads to less freedom for their opponents and it will spurn a violent right wing reaction---neither of which I want. I can't speak for you but I HOPE you would feel the same way, though I doubt you do certainly about the former.

Good point, the far left GOP does control every branch of government.

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Do you ever get tired of just sounding like Charlie Brown's teacher?

Ahahahaha you self-own so regularly.

Spoiler:

07-26-2017 , 05:08 PM

#11184

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As apparent, You have a condition which involves minding other's genitalia and personal statements which you can only imagine and never actually see.

07-26-2017 , 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

I don't have a problem with peaceful protest. I do have a problem with minorities (I am not talking about race specifically here) compelling governments to go against the majority. I also think the absolute association of slavery with the confederate States is unfair. Certainly there is a relationship there but it's not absolute exclusive to everything else.

Uh...

wow

07-26-2017 , 05:35 PM

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I think we need more William in this thread. He has nuanced, research, and well thought out views. Jiggy is getting old because I don't think he legitimately believes his posts.

William is a true beta cuck and we need more!!

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07-26-2017 , 05:39 PM

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Has anyone figured out why it's ok for a grown ass man accused of raping a 13 year old named donnie to go into teenage girls changing rooms but not TG women.

07-26-2017 , 05:41 PM

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Jiggy is just trying to hone his skills in hopes of future employment in the Trumplandia National Ministry of Propaganda, perhaps one day heading up the gaslighting or cyber trolling division.

07-26-2017 , 05:44 PM

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Has anyone figured out why it's ok for a grown ass man accused of raping a 13 year old named donnie to go into teenage girls changing rooms but not TG women.

For tumpkins, one is red meat and the other doesn't look like anything to me.

07-26-2017 , 06:41 PM

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Still waiting for any logical reasoning as to why transgendered persons shouldn't be in the military and what negative they pose if they are. The only support for this move I see is from Trumpers who go along with whatever he does, RWNJ talking heads and article writers from garbage like Breitbart or The Federalist, or people with "Constitutional Conservative" (read:bigot) in their social media header.

07-26-2017 , 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by well named

Do you believe sex is solely biological or do you think it's possible to have a girls penis and/or a boy vagina? Do you believe there is a difference between sex and gender? What makes up this difference? What is your definition of sex? What is your definition of gender? What is your definition of gender identity?

07-26-2017 , 07:02 PM

#11192

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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey

Uh...

wow

You seem pretty easily shocked, did you do too much acid when you were a teenager or something?

07-26-2017 , 07:04 PM

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What is the compelled speech?

Speech I am compelled to perform by law.

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Good point, the far left GOP does control every branch of government.

Culturally, leftists are in the majority. Even conservatism has shunted left in the last 70 years, to a great degree.

07-26-2017 , 07:05 PM

#11194

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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey

Uh.. when you just say something, you aren't insinuating it.

Just because you say something doesn't make it so either.

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07-26-2017 , 07:07 PM

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A reminder of the ironic cockiness of 'but a dick is a dick' is all in the eye of the conservative genitalia beholder.

07-26-2017 , 07:07 PM

#11196

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Kinda like how it's not possible for a born male to know what it's like to be female?

07-26-2017 , 07:11 PM

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Kinda like how it's not possible for a born male to know what it's like to be female?

Who put you in charge of what is possible and what others know?

07-26-2017 , 07:19 PM

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Who put you in charge of what is possible and what others know?

You claim it's possible that a born male can know what it's like to be a female, so I ask you the same question. Who put you in charge? How is it even possible? Just because someone claims something doesn't mean it's true.

For example I dunno if you're religious or not but you'd probably think someone claiming they've had a direct experience of God is either delusional or lying, yet I bet you don't make the same argument for them.