Look at all those protections businesses get to skirt because of illegal immigration. And the Left incentivizes it.

I'm for reducing regulations, sure. But illegal immigration advocates for ZERO regulation enforcement.

Is the anlizing a part of the handbook they give out or something.

But you were honest about wanting to protect immigrants from being exploited by business?

Everyone should play by the rules, even if there are less rules to play by. How is this a hard concept?

Jiggy,

This will be challenging for you to comprehend,
but here's what honesty looks like:

I would like laws enforcing higher labor protections for farm workers DESPITE the effect it would have on lowering immigration.

You really do a lot of non-aswering. This isn't a press conference. You're not a politician are you?

Not sure if you're familiar with the basics of argumentation (from your posts in this forum, probably not), but it's your job to support your claims. If you don't want to, then we'll all just go on ignoring your baseless assertions.

You have a twisted sense of honesty.

Try this:

I would like people to enter this country legally, so they can participate in the protections our laws provide without fear of deportation.

I also believe that the labor laws are too restrictive and almost completely unrelated to the illegal immigration problem, except where they incentivize companies to violate those laws.

That's the honest approach.

Agalarovs just got a big Moscow deal approved and Kislyak being appointed senator.

lol

Do you actually think that cutting labor laws would mean American citizens would be hired instead of undocumented workers? You think it's the labor laws and not the low wages and the lack of labor laws that keep American citizens from picking vegetables? That's honesty?

And I would like Mexicans and Central Americans to enter the country legally too. I would like a lot of them to enter the country legally. At this point and under these conditions I think the right amount of immigrants to allow is as many who want to come as long as they don't have a good reason not to be allowed like having convicted of a violent crime.

Are you okay with more Hispanics entering the country as long as it's legal?

It's pretty obvious that this is what's going on. Hear a word that sets off a resentment and run with it. We've gone from transsexuals, to black genocide, to the Southern Strategy, to illegal immigration all the while continuously bouncing around, even contradicting himself from post to post. There's no actual person there to convince, it's just a connection of resentments all bundled up.

Almost seemless minding from one object to the next.

It's just amazing how much dishonesty comes out of someone whose entire posting history revolves around pointing out the dishonesty of others. No self awareness whatsoever.

You can only have unlimited immigration if you limit public benefits.

I'm with you up to a point. I'm sure there's a number between 0 and everyone who wants to come that we can agree upon.

Bring'em all. Bring the Chinese, the Indians, the Pakistanis, whoever - the best and brightest though. Of course stop the H1-B visa abuses. This isn't the 1930s any more however. And no to the refugees, of course. I'm not complete opposed to helping out, but Europe is just a ****show at this point. Safe zones in the Middle East is the right approach - and somebody is going to be needed to rebuild those countries as well. I'm wary of Islam in general. Until reformers like Maajid, Aayan, and Imam Tawhidi (the Imam of Peace) gain more mainstream support to turn the tide of Islam's illiberal ideology, arms length here is best.

Ignoring the specifics, I like how wilch feels the need to add the bolded.

"I would not let a leopard eat my daughter's face. Some rando kid in my charge though, all bets are off."

wilch don't know about that crying game

Is that how it's going down at The Red? No ****. I used to just eat my flounder fish right quick and bounce.

Still kind of non-responsive. In America were taking about tens of thousands of refugees from the ME vs 11 million or so immigrants from Mexico and central America. We have HUGE demand for their labor. The Pakistani computer programmer isn't the issue either.

You want no illegal immigration. You want to roll back labor protections. What do you think happens to all the labor that immigrants from south of the border are doing?

Do you want to dramatically increase legal immigration through the Mexican border?

Do you want the industries that need this labor to contact?

Or do you stupidly think there are millions of American citizens to fill these spots even if you cut back labor law?

Do you WANT illegal immigration? What other laws should people be allowed to violate? I think you're imaging things if you think farming can't take place without illegal labor and illegal wages.


I don't know what 'dramatically' means. Let's assume more than now, but less than "everyone who wants in". Big wall with a beautiful door.

This is a myth. You stupidly believe that Americans will starve if there were no Mexicans left to farm our food?

Americans won't starve, they'll just import a lot more food. Mostly from Mexico. Farmers and farming communities in America will go bust.

I'd prefer if the immigration were legal.

What other laws should people feel free to break? Drug laws and gambling laws at least.

Jiggy,

Seriously, the bit you had about the myth of Americans starving is proving to be typical. It's bad faith arguing and strawmanning or really dumb. Maybe you haven't thought through any of your positions and it's all impulsive reaction.

And you are surprised that people don't engage in some well thought out discourse with you?

Well, perhaps to my discredit, I made an attempt. Shrug.

Lol ya. The weirdest one I ever saw was a comic strip of a female identifying man who considered himself a lesbian----he only liked gay women. So basically just a confused straight guy.

It's a monkey and a dartboard with this one.

When you say this:

You will be responded to in kind.