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I can appreciate defects, mental illness, abnormalities or whatever non-stigmatized word you can think of...

As an example, I do not embrace the delusions of schizophrenics, but it does not mean I'm disrespecting them by not buying into their paranoia.

It's the same with TG's. They have abnormal thoughts concerning their biological sex.

I did another edit. Yeah you dont want them in bathrooms.

07-23-2017 , 08:20 PM

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Breaking news : you need to do tons of research to explain what a man and a woman is in 2017. Complicated business, folks.

Don't let a penis or vagina fool you!

Listening itself can produce an opportunity to understand.

Or point and laugh while dialing 911 because somebody looks like Pat from SNL at the rest stop?

07-23-2017 , 08:23 PM

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Yeah you dont want them in bathrooms.

See, you can't help to do that. Because I do not buy into a delusion, does not mean I really give a damn where they **** or piss. I've said the rights response to this is just as idiotic as the lefts embracing a person's delusions brought on by an abnormality those persons have. It's same exact thing as believing what a person with Schizophrenia says about the world.

07-23-2017 , 08:23 PM

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Normal Thoughts policing ITT. Be sure to think the correct identity for the altzi minders.

07-23-2017 , 08:26 PM

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See, you can't help to do that. Because I do not buy into a delusion, does not mean I really give a damn where they **** or piss. I've said the rights response to this just as idiotic as the lefts embracing a person's delusions brought on by an abnormality they have.

I dont believe you. I gave my reason.

And besides. Your view if brought into the real world is more harmful. Keeping them out of bathrooms vs rejecting who they feel and believe they are.

07-23-2017 , 08:27 PM

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I dont believe you. I gave my reason.

Well, you believe some men are actually women becasue they say so and they have abnormal brains, so....

07-23-2017 , 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Breaking news : you need to do tons of research to explain what a man and a woman is in 2017. Complicated business, folks.

Don't let a penis or vagina fool you!

But you want people with a penis to use the women's bathroom if they weren't born with one. So apparently it is complicated.

07-23-2017 , 08:30 PM

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It's really not.

If you have a penis you are a man. If you have a vagina you are a woman. I'm sorry. That's just the way it is as far as me and the vast majority of humanity is concerned.

Oh the appeal of simple answers to complicated questions.

07-23-2017 , 08:30 PM

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Well, you believe some men are actually women becasue they say so and they have abnormal brains, so....

I did it again... But were done. Once you get into the delusions abnormal shtick its all clear.

07-23-2017 , 08:30 PM

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Well, you believe some men are actually women becasue they say so and they have abnormal brains, so....

Someone with your sentence structure may want to pump the brakes on this abnormal brain stuff, son.

07-23-2017 , 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by batair

I dont believe you. I gave my reason.

And besides. Your view if brought into the real world is more harmful. Keeping them out of bathrooms vs rejecting who they feel and believe they are.

See, rejecting what they think, and rejecting them is two different things. We reject other peoples deeply held beliefs that defy reality all the time. This is not a harmful thing to do.

07-23-2017 , 08:32 PM

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It sounds like you're defining "man" then purely in terms of the presence or absence of male genitalia. But there are biological differences between men and women beyond the presence or absence of specific genitalia. And, of course, "being a man" in cultural terms involves a lot more than biology. Your definition isn't really sufficient.

However, the real question in my opinion is about how society should react to transgender people. Your attitude appears to be that society should just tell them to suck it up and act according to their genitalia. Your attitude appears to be that they are basically just faking it, so to speak. But if "being trans" is caused in some large part by biological differences, then this makes about as much sense to me as telling gay people to just suck it up and act straight.

theres never been a study that suggests transitioning helps mental health outcomes for transgendered people.

I'm for a live and let live approach. but the current leftist propaganda is not pushing live and let live, its pushing laws like c-16 in Ontario.

07-23-2017 , 08:34 PM

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See, rejecting what they think, and rejecting them is two different things. We reject other peoples deeply held beliefs that defy reality all the time. This is not a harmful thing to do.

You bring harm.

07-23-2017 , 08:34 PM

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Oh the appeal of simple answers to complicated questions.

It's pretty simple. I don't care if you cut off your penis and attach it to your nose and call yourself an elephant. It's your life, do whatever you wish with it. I honestly don't care. But what I won't do is call you a woman or let you enter my daughters bathroom.

Nothing is unreasonable about my position. I'm totally fine with other people deluding themselves, it happens every day. I wish you well and hope you find peace and happiness. What I won't do is go along with it.

07-23-2017 , 08:35 PM

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Someone with your sentence structure may want to pump the brakes on this abnormal brain stuff, son.

You can say I have an abnormal brain (which I do), and I would not take offense. The irony here is, it's your side of the argument that is pointing to a TG's abnormal brain as evidence of TG, but all it does is show TG's brains are abnormal, and that is offensive to someone on the left, particularly SJW's.

07-23-2017 , 08:36 PM

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I really don't care if an adult decides to transition, but allowing a child of 11 decide to take hormones and permanently sterilizing themselves is utterly beyond the pale and disgusting.
I'm afraid we'll look back on this as complete child abuse in 40 years like we look back on the Kennedy's lobotomizing their daughter.

this is what some of the left is currently pushing tho

07-23-2017 , 08:37 PM

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You bring harm.

I think you bring stupidity if you buy into the belief a man is woman.

07-23-2017 , 08:38 PM

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You are delusional.

07-23-2017 , 08:38 PM

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could have guessed BitciBee is an expert on TG researc

07-23-2017 , 08:39 PM

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Again literally all transgender people are asking for is legal equality, to be left alone when they try to piss, and the basic courtesy of using their preferred name and pronoun.

That doesn't seem like a lot to ask, and there doesn't seem to be any upside in pointlessly being rude to them. So what's the problem here again?

07-23-2017 , 08:39 PM

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I think you bring stupidity if you buy into the belief a man is woman.

Im a stupid idiot all the time... that has never bothered me...didn't you see all my edits and bad writing?

07-23-2017 , 08:41 PM

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Is an assertion of abnormal brains like a delusion of abnormal brains?

The appearance fallacy is obvious so as the appearance of the physical body is the "evidence" of a delusion of identity.

Particular individual thoughts by transgender people not even introduced. Worst diagnosis of delusion ever.

07-23-2017 , 08:41 PM

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could have guessed BitciBee is an expert on TG researc

i'd guess I'm far more read on the subject than a regular person like you yes.

07-23-2017 , 08:42 PM

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No, that's not what they are asking. What they are asking for is special consideration. They are asking everyone to change the way we use words to describe and interact with each other as human beings. They are also asking to disregard the only criteria for entering most bathrooms - sex. So no, dickhead, they aren't just asking something trivial.

07-23-2017 , 08:44 PM

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Again literally all transgender people are asking for is legal equality, to be left alone when they try to piss, and the basic courtesy of using their preferred name and pronoun.

I think the only thing that has merit is the second one.

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That doesn't seem like a lot to ask, and there doesn't seem to be any upside in pointlessly being rude to them. So what's the problem here again?

See, you think not buying into a delusion or a belief in something that is not true, is rude.