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07-23-2017 , 07:40 PM
Before or after I edited what?
07-23-2017 , 07:40 PM
See for example here. I'm not really an expert in this field but it's the kind of research I have in mind. Nothing to do with social construction, although that is also a fun and worthwhile topic.
07-23-2017 , 07:40 PM
Dafuq are u talking about?

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07-23-2017 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by nomaddd
Gender (as it's defined by the left) is a social construct that you are claiming has a "biological" component.
If you'll look at my posts, there's a reason I kept using the word "sex". My preference would be to describe gender as socially constructed categories which describe norms, beliefs, and roles which vary across cultures, but which have a basis in biological differences (sex). Sex is not exactly dimorphic, but approximately dimorphic.
07-23-2017 , 07:44 PM
Looks here is the place where it is described that social constructs necessarily come from individual constructs. Not sure why that's leftist, but political constructs match pattern.
07-23-2017 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that.



The entire point of my post is that you are oversimplifying nature when you proclaim that there are only men and women and that sex is an absolute dichotomy such that there can be only men and women. Intersex people exist. Transgender exists and almost certainly has a biological component which doesn't reduce neatly to people being confused about their biological sex.
You would think the fact that there are people born with both fun parts would show sexuality is not black and white with our fun parts or the brains that control them.
07-23-2017 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by nomaddd
The person is making a claim that conservatives created this issue. This issue arose when liberals and TG's started suing and creating laws...which led to idiotic reaction by the right.
Conservatives made it an issue by obsessively fighting against it as hard as possible, to the point of having entire state legislatures spend months on coming up with ways to stop it from happening. They're the problem here.

I say this as someone who thinks that, after a couple of years of this, Democrats are spending too much time talking about it and not enough time trying to blunt Trump by talking up jobs and the economy in hopes of getting the Rust Belt back.
07-23-2017 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Looks here is the place where it is described that social constructs necessarily come from individual constructs.
This is true to some extent, but I think one of the more common misunderstandings I see regarding "social construction" is the idea that "social construction" means every person just being whatever they want, and that is quite a bit different from what social construction actually means in sociology or anthropology. Race is a social construction in the sense that most of our beliefs about what racial categories are and what they mean has no solid basis in biology, but that doesn't mean we all get to invent what race people will assign to us. The categories are not made up by each of us individually.
07-23-2017 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
See for example here. I'm not really an expert in this field but it's the kind of research I have in mind. Nothing to do with social construction, although that is also a fun and worthwhile topic.
You can pretend, and look for all kind of confirmation to support your idea that man is not a man. With that said, almost all other forms of identify conflicts within a person's personality, is defined as a mental illness.
07-23-2017 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by nomaddd
You can pretend
Or, alternatively, I can cite medical research. Which seems to be more than you are able to do?
07-23-2017 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
You would think the fact that there are people born with both fun parts would show sexuality is not black and white with our fun parts or the brains that control them.
But we are talking bout people born with the anatomy of one type or another.
07-23-2017 , 07:56 PM
And im talking about the human brain when it comes to sexuality not being as black and white as you would have it be.
07-23-2017 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
And im talking about the human brain when it comes to sexuality not being as black and white as you would have it be.
Here is the thing....becasue the brain thinks you are something, does not make it so.
07-23-2017 , 08:04 PM
It makes it so for the person thinking it. They believe they are a women or man.

But alright you dont have to accept it and since you have no issue with them doing what they want bathroom wise...meh.
07-23-2017 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
Or, alternatively, I can cite medical research. Which seems to be more than you are able to do?
You cited medical research that says TG brains are different than other people. No ****. I've never doubted or contested TG brains have differences than males or females. Nothing you presented demonstrated evidence that man is not a man.
07-23-2017 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
It makes it so for the person thinking it. They believe they are a women or man.

Yep, but that does not make them that.
07-23-2017 , 08:07 PM
I added to my post. Were done here i think since you seem very invested on calling them what you want. Odd that you dont care what bathroom they use but do care so strongly about forgoing your thinking and doing something as easy as to call them what they want and feel.
07-23-2017 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by nomaddd
You cited medical research that says TG brains are different than other people. No ****. I've never doubted or contested TG brains have differences than males or females. Nothing you presented demonstrated evidence that man is not a man.
It sounds like you're defining "man" then purely in terms of the presence or absence of male genitalia. But there are biological differences between men and women beyond the presence or absence of specific genitalia. And, of course, "being a man" in cultural terms involves a lot more than biology. Your definition isn't really sufficient.

However, the real question in my opinion is about how society should react to transgender people. Your attitude appears to be that society should just tell them to suck it up and act according to their genitalia. Your attitude appears to be that they are basically just faking it, so to speak. But if "being trans" is caused in some large part by biological differences, then this makes about as much sense to me as telling gay people to just suck it up and act straight.
07-23-2017 , 08:13 PM
Breaking news : you need to do tons of research to explain what a man and a woman is in 2017. Complicated business, folks.

Don't let a penis or vagina fool you!
07-23-2017 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
This is true to some extent, but I think one of the more common misunderstandings I see regarding "social construction" is the idea that "social construction" means every person just being whatever they want, and that is quite a bit different from what social construction actually means in sociology or anthropology. Race is a social construction in the sense that most of our beliefs about what racial categories are and what they mean has no solid basis in biology, but that doesn't mean we all get to invent what race people will assign to us. The categories are not made up by each of us individually.
Yeah, cool.

From my estimation, conservatives aren't made of the stuff to go around doing genitalia inspections themselves as a personal choice as principled individuals, but they may or may not use our government to do it for them.

Individuals are where the action happens with the various influences that lead conservatives to may or may not be making a variety of social construct to oppress and control bathroom users.

A conflict of individualism as a principle that the government would dare tell you or me who we are in such a personal place. Social and individual are doing the dance.
07-23-2017 , 08:15 PM
The KKK was Democrat, but a guy almost won the South Carolina Republican primary by promising to not remove Confederate statues, who are the people the Republicans fought against. While the Democrats who supported the KKK, now want to take down the statues. It's almost like they switched sides at some point........ randomly I'll pull out a date and say around 1964
07-23-2017 , 08:15 PM
Obviously most of us fit pretty neatly within the traditional categories. That's why those categories are traditional. I've never had to think too hard about any of this. No one is suggesting that it needs to be more complicated for people whose biology and experience is typical. Transgender people are a pretty small minority of human beings. That doesn't mean they don't exist or that being transgender isn't a real phenomena. The world's a complicated place.
07-23-2017 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
I added to my post. Were done here i think since you seem very invested on calling them what you want.
I can appreciate defects, mental illness, abnormalities or whatever non-stigmatized word you can think of...

As an example, I do not embrace the delusions of schizophrenics, but it does not mean I'm disrespecting them by not buying into their paranoia.

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Cite: Schizophrenia is associated with subtle differences in brain structures, found in forty to fifty percent of cases, and in brain chemistry during acute psychotic states
It's the same with TG's. They have abnormal thoughts concerning their biological sex.
07-23-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
Obviously most of us fit pretty neatly within the traditional categories. That's why those categories are traditional. I've never had to think too hard about any of this. No one is suggesting that it needs to be more complicated for people whose biology and experience is typical. Transgender people are a pretty small minority of human beings. That doesn't mean they don't exist or that being transgender isn't a real phenomena. The world's a complicated place.
It's really not.

If you have a penis you are a man. If you have a vagina you are a woman. I'm sorry. That's just the way it is as far as me and the vast majority of humanity is concerned.
07-23-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
The KKK was Democrat, but a guy almost won the South Carolina Republican primary by promising to not remove Confederate statues, who are the people the Republicans fought against. While the Democrats who supported the KKK, now want to take down the statues. It's almost like they switched sides at some point........ randomly I'll pull out a date and say around 1964
The RWNJ's know this is true, but they willingly choose to ignore it so they can spout their "DEMOCRATS STARTED THE KKK AND ROBERT BYRD WAS IN IT HURHURHUR" talking points.

      
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