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Q: What do you call 1000 DoNots chained together on a gulag archipelago?

A: A good start!

Thanks, I'll be here all week.

I stopped reading Mises when I read their review for a city building game as statist propaganda because it invites people to think they, as a city planner, can build hospitals and such in order to solve problems instead of letting them naturally be built out of a natural order. Right after that I read an article about how stop lights were authoritarian and they should be removed and let people spontaneously come up with a system to navigate through intersection. The Civil War apologism was pretty bad too.

Yeah, and the natural spontaneous order could never ever be something resembling a state. That's crazy talk.

The institute is connected to roads paid for by taxes. Seen it myself.

What?

I don't really have a dog in this fight and I know next to nothing about Chile but how is he cherry picking any more than you? You were harping on about Venezuela and only Venezuela. Why shouldn't he give a counter example?

Wat? Is your argument seriously "it was socialist because look it has socialist in the name"? C'mon man.

Thread would be 100% unreadable if not for 5ive.

Just steer it OT...

Bet you didn't know Democrats started the KKK

Why yes, yes it is.

They're trying to hoodoo the hoodoo man but I got my mojo working.

What do you think about the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

Holy sh*t it goes all the way to the top!

The Deutsche Demokratische Republik (1949-1990) says hi also.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany

To be fair, you did just point out another failed Socialist state. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Economics

"Adolf Hitler, both in public and in private, expressed disdain for capitalism, arguing that it holds nations ransom in the interests of a parasitic cosmopolitan rentier class.[207] He opposed free market capitalism's profit-seeking impulses and desired an economy in which community interests would be upheld.[191]
Hitler distrusted capitalism for being unreliable due to its egotism, and he preferred a state-directed economy that is subordinated to the interests of the Volk.[207]"

"Another radical Nazi, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, had stressed the socialist character of Nazism, and claimed in his diary in the 1920s that if he were to pick between Bolshevism and capitalism, he said "in final analysis", "it would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under capitalism".[212]"

You can incentivize them to maintain incorporation in the states without forcing that operations stay in the states. They're different goals. It shows the importance of international treaties/agreements on corporate tax rates.


I agree - modern western countries ARE all socialist to some extent. And that trump hasn't just refused to buck that tradition, but he's actually gone further in that direction in some respects - just not the ones that I think are effective.

Does JiggyMoaner have arguments about socialism that aren't acrimonious bull****?

I think everybody knows that the Soviet bloc fell apart because they couldn't even organise the production of, say, shoes. Or shoelaces.

But, in Britain, which isn't altogether untypical for western Europe, the national health service and the welfare state carry on, and Britons pay about half as much per head per annum for health care as Americans do, because Americans are still getting bilked by a dysfunctional private insurance system unique in the western world (and much pointed and laughed at), with correspondingly poor morbidity and mortality rates.

You mean Britain, where a couple couldn't even raise private funds to take their son out of their system is your example of authoritarianism working?

Here's how Private Insurance works in the UK, btw:

http://th*********reblog.com/blog/20...nce-in-the-uk/

I do agree that life expectancy went down under Obama, but I wouldn't call them poor mortality rates.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-s...s-report-finds

79 (US) vs. (#1, Japan) 83 vs. (UK) 81 isn't that much of a difference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ife_expectancy

I vaguely remember reading how Japan and other countries don't quite report stillbirths the way the United States does, somewhat skewing the results as well. It's cited here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cy#cite_note-6

Here's another interesting finding in Japan (Thousands of Japanese centenarians may have died decades ago):
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...arians-records


I don't know about morbidity rates, but I'd be happy to look at any research you have. I imagine it's more correlated to lifestyle choices over lack of healthcare options.

I don't think that was a Socialist state. It doesn't have Socialist or Socialism in the name anywhere...

"I don't know about morbidity rates, but I'd be happy to look at any research you have. I imagine it's more correlated to lifestyle choices over lack of healthcare options."

Lifestyle choices, like consumption of cigarettes, who mike pence decided to lower taxes on despite the fact that these taxes greatly reduces consumption for young people who're at a pivotal point as to whether they'll develop this life long habit, while conveniently receiving campaign contributions directly from tobacco companies and lobbyists representing tobacco interests.

Mike pence bravely points out that "2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness"!

The lack of healthcare and morbidity aren't as correlated in the US as one would imagine because we do have emergency healthcare in that doctors can't turn you away if you're dying. But that doesn't capture quality of life or medical bankruptcy that's a result of that.