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07-11-2017 , 04:41 PM
I have made 2 predictions of things that people here or in alpha thought were a big deal that turned into absolutely nothing and I am ready to make my third. This whole 'the trump team talked to a big bad russian guy and he said hillary is a meany face (or whatever the supposed dirt was)' will turn into absolutely nothing and the liberal media will move on within the next 4 months and find something else negative to say about GOATrump.

FYI- My earlier prediction were that OWS & BLM would fizzle away within months and accomplish absolutely nothing.
07-11-2017 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
No one gives a **** about Hillary.
You should keep saying this to yourself. Especially should she attempt to run again.

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Even if I grant you this, it doesn't matter why we are in a hostile state with Russia.
I thought we were against starting conflicts for no reason. Has the Left changed its tune?



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What, dude, like I'll just grant you for the sake of argument that Obama was the worst president ever. It doesn't matter. It's not relevant to the conversation we are having here.
Because you live in a one variable world? I don't know how you manage that, but good luck to you.


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Like, I think that what Don Jr. did was wrong, in a common sense way that hiring your Canadian friend is not. But really I don't give one **** about Don Jr. anyway unless Don Sr. is implicated.
Politically, it's shady - like all campaigns. Especially in a one-variable world. When you consider what their opponent was doing, this doesn't even register - even if Don Sr. were implicated.
07-11-2017 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
In which mongidig, who last night thought that gay marriage was only legal in 3 states, writes these two sentences seeing no conflict whatsoever between them
How exactly does the gay marriage comment and what I wrote in this post interconnect?
07-11-2017 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I have made 2 predictions of things that people here or in alpha thought were a big deal that turned into absolutely nothing and I am ready to make my third. This whole 'the trump team talked to a big bad russian guy and he said hillary is a meany face (or whatever the supposed dirt was)' will turn into absolutely nothing and the liberal media will move on within the next 4 months and find something else negative to say about GOATrump.

FYI- My earlier prediction were that OWS & BLM would fizzle away within months and accomplish absolutely nothing.
By the end of summer, the media narrative will be "Effective, but we don't like it." Just wait....the turn is coming, if the MSM doesn't self-immolate before then.
07-11-2017 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
There was no solicitation involved. End of story.
Hmm, a bold assertion from legal scholar BroadwaySushy. OTOH, associate dean at Cornell Law:

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"It's a shocking admission of a criminal conspiracy," said Jens David Ohlin, associate dean of Cornell Law School, in a statement shared with The Post. "The conversation will now turn to whether President Trump was personally involved or not. But the question of the campaign's involvement appears settled now. The answer is yes."
07-11-2017 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
How exactly does the gay marriage comment and what I wrote in this post interconnect?
They're both instances of you being an incredibly stupid person in just the last 24 hrs
07-11-2017 , 04:45 PM
End of story
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07-11-2017 , 04:46 PM
That article discusses a different law from the one I brought up. It's certainly possible that the conspiracy law is a better angle than the contributions law.
07-11-2017 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
From the statute I linked:



So, the part where you show up to a meeting (soliciting) with a foreign national in the hopes of gaining oppo research (a thing of value) is already a crime. If they provide said research, that is also a crime. At the moment, we only know that the solicitation occurred. It is not a defense that Goldstone sent the first email:



When DJT showed up at the meeting he was asking for that information, quite clearly. That was the advertised purpose of the meeting. You're not allowed to show up and ask them to provide what they promised just because they reached out to you.

Obviously the crime is more severe if the Russian government actually provided something. That has yet to be established.
He wasn't asking for anything. He showed up to see what she was offering. That's not asking and it's not soliciting.

Only a fool would call that soliciting.
07-11-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Did you even read the email? The "damaging information" was Hillary colluding with Russia. It had nothing to do with the emails Assange got from Seth Rich.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...acked-russians
lol . I'm sure they would have talked openly about hacking the DNC in emails.

Also lol at you running to stupid conspiracy theories when daddy and juniordaddy get in trouble.
07-11-2017 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
He wasn't asking for anything. He showed up to see what she was offering. That's not asking and it's not soliciting.

Only a fool would call that soliciting.
You are assuming that Jr. is finally telling the truth. lol at you.
07-11-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
You should keep saying this to yourself. Especially should she attempt to run again.
I mean, if she runs again she will be relevant again.


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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
I thought we were against starting conflicts for no reason. Has the Left changed its tune?
Dude, what, like:

1. I don't purport to represent "the left", only myself so I don't know?
2. They are two separate topics. My opinion of a conflict doesn't change whether it exists or not.


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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Because you live in a one variable world? I don't know how you manage that, but good luck to you.
No, like, dude, Trump is relevant because he won. Hillary is not relevant because she lost.

If your argument is supposed to be "Hillary did all these terrible things that were even worse that forced Trump to collude with Russia" then fine, if you find evidence of that too, throw them all in jail.

Forgive me if I find Trump more pressing given that he is currently in control of our government.

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Politically, it's shady - like all campaigns. Especially in a one-variable world. When you consider what their opponent was doing, this doesn't even register - even if Don Sr. were implicated.
lol
07-11-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Only a fool would call that soliciting.
There appear to be quite a few legal experts who disagree. I concede that I think it's ambiguous but it's also quite clear that the law intends to prohibit the kind of behavior that DJT was engaging in when he took the meeting. We'll see what happens.
07-11-2017 , 04:56 PM
All the non-American trump supporters ITT have another country they put first.
07-11-2017 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
They're both instances of you being an incredibly stupid person in just the last 24 hrs
Let me get this straight. You are on the internet all day every day and spend nearly your entire life arguing with 3 or 4 people whom you don't know.

I am not gay, I do not keep up with current gay news.

I have a life, I do many other things.

Now who is the stupid one?
07-11-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Let me get this straight. You are on the internet all day every day and spend nearly your entire life arguing with 3 or 4 people whom you don't know.

I am not gay, I do not keep up with current gay news.
You post in a political forum every day and don't know even the slightest bit about political news dumbass
07-11-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
There appear to be quite a few legal experts who disagree. I concede that I think it's ambiguous but it's also quite clear that the law intends to prohibit the kind of behavior that DJT was engaging in when he took the meeting. We'll see what happens.
What behavior? He showed up to a meeting with a person who was offering some unknown, unverified information that might or might not be pertinent to the election campaign.

But yeah, we'll see what happens. I've already made my prediction.
07-11-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
There appear to be quite a few legal experts who disagree. I concede that I think it's ambiguous but it's also quite clear that the law intends to prohibit the kind of behavior that DJT was engaging in when he took the meeting. We'll see what happens.
This just looks bad. That's it. Nothing will happen because too many things need to be proved and DJT will certainly be coached up well.
07-11-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
You post in a political forum every day and don't know even the slightest bit about political news dumbass
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07-11-2017 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
He wasn't asking for anything. He showed up to see what she was offering. That's not asking and it's not soliciting.

Only a fool would call that soliciting.
And we always go back to the child molester. They were just showing up to see what was being offered making sure the kid was okay right? Give me a break guy. It's one thing to go down with the ship, it's another thing to slit your wrists as you go down with the ship. I mean come on guy.
07-11-2017 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
What behavior? He showed up to a meeting with a person who was offering some unknown, unverified information that might or might not be pertinent to the election campaign.

But yeah, we'll see what happens. I've already made my prediction.
My guess would be the behavior known as criminal conspiracy.

A criminal conspiracy exists when two or more people agree to commit almost any unlawful act, then take some action toward its completion

The nature of the information being offered was not unknown, as you state. Junior was interested in moving forward, hence agreeing to the meeting.
07-11-2017 , 05:09 PM
Trump supporter gets painted into a corner and then says Hillary followed by some words. It's one of their last cards in the deck. What happens when that card wears out though guys?

Sushy why'd you delete your post?
07-11-2017 , 05:10 PM
Lol. The only thing they agreed to, was to meet.
07-11-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
And when is that reckoning for them coming?



I mean i thought trump and republican control of all the branches was the reckoning. But apparently there is more coming for liberals you are waiting in anticipation for. Im not sure what that would be though. Sounds like it would not be love.
It's like that moment in everyones lives where they realize they are on their own and their parents aren't gonna take care of them anymore. I call it the 'maturity moment.'

There will come a point in everyones lives where the government is not capable of taking care of you anymore, and people will have to either step into the real world or die. That's the reckoning I wish on liberals.
07-11-2017 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
From the statute I linked:



So, the part where you show up to a meeting (soliciting) with a foreign national in the hopes of gaining oppo research (a thing of value) is already a crime. If they provide said research, that is also a crime. At the moment, we only know that the solicitation occurred. It is not a defense that Goldstone sent the first email:
The statute talks about contributions of value. It has never been used to go after anyone for meetings or information. Every campaign sets meetings up with foreign leaders, then includes those in press releases or brags about them. By doing so they also are saying that has value. Is that a violation?

Every campaign does oppo research, we also know that under this statute you can not launder those things of value, so if the oppo research includes information from a foreign person it would have to violate the statute? This would lead to a very stupid interpretation and would have to lead to a whole other list of disclosures a campaign would have to make. No way this a reasonable interpretation. The left is trying to shoe horn something to fit.

I would agree with the following interpretation:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/no-t...ussian-lawyer/

      
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