I've already said it elsewhere but if you were talking about Russian adoption policy you were talking about sanctions. The hold on Americans adopting Russian children was put in place as retaliation for American sanctions. You can't have one without the other.

Again, very sorry for interrupting this thread with stuff related to actual news, but here's WaPo on today's report and how Donny Jr. kinda stepped in it a bit with his statement to the Times

I need to catch up on these stories, but yeah, it sounds... uh... bad?

Outside of the LG bet, how many times have I ever actually been proven wrong?

Not in terms of opinion or discussion, because no one can always be correct arguing politics due to the nature of change. But as far as proven to be incorrect about something, how often has that happened in my particular case?

Mind you, you come from a place where 99% of you lost your asses in the biggest political event in a generation. You and yours are literally an embarrassment in terms of being correct about things, yet you have the audacity to attack my accuracy?

Completely laughable.

You've made multiple incorrect statements in the last 24 hours in which you've said you haven't lost a bet here. I'm glad you've at least fixed that mistake in this post!

And this is, like, wow, just a beautiful axe-murdering of logic here.

Paragraph 1: when wil is wrong about politics, that just doesn't count
Paragraph 2: LOL liberals were wrong about politics, that counts SO HARD

Who judges what situations are worse? Please, rank them in order so we can all be enlightened as to what is REALLY hard to overcome compared to just a little sadness? I can't wait for your response.


This is a huge misconception. Not many people "coast", and those that do almost always make their situations start down a negative path. Without personal responsibility and at least some dedication things go bad relatively quickly. It's the reason why rich idiots become broke very quickly, when people like you believe they "coast". Almost no one does. This is why “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations” is an actual saying and carries across cultures.


In the vast majority of cases it actually is true.

It really is a simple question, which you have failed to answer.

How many times have I actually been proven wrong?

It's not true in my case and I'm far from an outlier in my industry. Computer programming is a job that not everyone has an aptitude for and simply for being naturally inclined towards it, and naturally good at it, I've been rewarded with a lucrative career. It hasn't taken any more work than any other job, and it's far more relaxing than anything involving, say, manual labor.

A couple in the last 24 hours. I don't know exactly how many beyond that.

It's kind of a dumb question. How many times have I been proven wrong, wil? And if you're going to say something dumb like "countless" without citing then there's no reason I can't just claim the same.

Oooooohhhhoooo. You managed to graduate college and get a decent job? WOW. If only the rest of us could reach that pinnacle of human achievement. Where would you place yourself in terms of national average? I mean, you have all that passive income and all.

Oh no, my friend. You have been proven wrong about multiple positions. What was your stance on the election? What was your stance on Trump's travel ban?

I mean, I'm not even smart and I'll crush you. The only reason why is because I recognize my own biases and try to minimize them. You are the opposite. You have your view and fit the rest of the world into it. That is called stupidity.

If you can find a source for individual income percentiles I can give you a better answer (in a brief search I just see household ones), but I'd guess that where I am in terms of "national average" is extremely high.

wil you JUST got done telling us how being wrong about politics doesn't count, what is this garbage? I thought it was liberal cheating for me to bring up things like pointing out when you post articles that contradict your own arguments.

But since you're talking about predicting future events, let me ask you a question. You bet on sports, right? Have you ever lost a bet? Does every single time you've ever lost one mean you were "proven wrong"?

Haha, speaking of recognizing and minimizing your own biases, what did you think was going to happen in the Dutch and French elections again?

And I would bet your journey wasn't that difficult, although it's tough to tell. But I'd guess you grew up middle class or better and enjoyed many advantages and wound up doing ok. Which is fine. But I'd guess it's nothing close to remarkable, which is why you feel so guilty about it.


This is not what I meant. I meant positions change as times change. In real time you're a muppet and I wouldn't trust your judgement at all.
Nope. Sport, by nature, is imperfect. I have no idea why you are even bringing this up.

Hahaha but politics is perfect? Wow, that's a HOT TAKE.

I'm undefeated and I'm a moron, right? How's that possible?

Maybe one day you'll grab your nuts and enter a bet with me. Doesn't have to be anything significant in terms of money. I'll be waiting.

Your analysis that predicted a Trump win was based on seeing people's lawn signs in Pennsylvania coupled with following the LATimes poll, which was actually the least accurate of any polling organization.

I live in Pennsylvania and was very cognizant of the tone. I called PA on the nose when everyone said I was a lunatic.

I can pull up the posts if you wish. You can call it "luck" if it makes you feel better but I beg to differ.

You claimed that your average homosexual male has "1000+" sex partners, followed by an entire forum of people explaining to you how mathematically impossible that was.

Please quote, or retract this statement. I am sure I've never said this. If you can quote this I will PayPal you 100 dollars immediately and apologize in public, with no risk to you.

Show your work.

I proposed a bet to you in the NK thread that lined up with your militaristic braggadocio and you turned it down.

By the way, no comment on the Dutch and French elections and your own biases? You were so looking forward to those, wil!

Yes, a bunch of redneck high school dropouts in the middle of the state decided to take their anger over looking at a black man out on the Democrats, in the hopes of landing high-wage manufacturing and coal mining jobs.

It's worked out quite well for them.

This simply isn't accurate. Multiple things happened to propel him to win PA. Blue collar Democrats switched sides in droves.

The middle of the state is mostly gullible idiots.

Starting with Post #2383 in the "Gay Conservative Milo ……" LGBTQ thread, went on for several days. You cited a study you Googled form 40 years ago claiming exactly what I said.

I couldn't care less about the $100.